[WithoutMe]

"Ego"?? Isnt that a borrowed word???

Do u really know what the word is all abt it!!!

No one seems to quite answer to that, may be then the very word "ego" is just something one has been made to believe in, been taught to us by all those so-called Spiritualists..... alas! we dont have the courage to shrug off all that we have inherited from the history of humankind, be it their knowledge of this & that or even their ways & means to achieving whatever goal (even that of spiritual goal, call it Mokhsa, Nirvana or whatever) they set!!!

Regards,
wM.

[Mohan.C]

Originally Posted by WithoutMe "Ego"?? Isnt that a borrowed word??? Do u really know what the word is all abt it!!! No one seems to quite answer to that, may be then the very word "ego" is just something one has been made to believe in, been taught to us by all those so-called Spiritualists..... alas! we dont have the courage to shrug off all that we have inherited from the history of humankind, be it their knowledge of this & that or even their ways & means to achieving whatever goal (even that of spiritual goal, call it Mokhsa, Nirvana or whatever) they set!!! Regards, wM.

Ego is a borrowed word from a dictionary. But as always I understand it in a different way. Not in the negative sense people talk about it. I say it is our thoughts it is what we can have as ours- our part in the cause and effects of the universe. Our past and our future which will also be a past to its future.
Every word me and you are speaking has been taught to us by somebody. But understanding is different I mean of everyone one of us. That understanding is our ego which is ours and not others. And hence if we have to make one theory of everything we must sacrifice our ego and have one general understanding.
And Even you do shrug off all human history, then I will congratulate you since you will be attaining that moksha, nirvana....... whatever you call it. Because it all means independence.

[WithoutMe]

In the first place, why would one want to achieve such a thing as Mokhsa, Nirvana or whatever???

Now, if oner has not achieved such a state, how does one know that there indeed is such a state??? By reading up books on Spirituality, or by observing the so-called realised!!! Then such a "wanting fot such a state" is also something that has been programmed in2 us by Sciety (thru all their Spiritual wish-wash)!!!!!!!
Hence, even wanting to achieve such a state is being part of the history of humankind!!!!


& why this need for having a common-ground? (here the need for a TOE is just a guise for the "need for having a common-ground?")
??

Regards,
wM.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by WithoutMe "Ego"?? Isnt that a borrowed word??? Do u really know what the word is all abt it!!! No one seems to quite answer to that, may be then the very word "ego" is just something one has been made to believe in, been taught to us by all those so-called Spiritualists..... alas! we dont have the courage to shrug off all that we have inherited from the history of humankind, be it their knowledge of this & that or even their ways & means to achieving whatever goal (even that of spiritual goal, call it Mokhsa, Nirvana or whatever) they set!!! Regards, wM.

Withoutme,just a little aside,the word ego,is used by some to stand for;
ease,God,out,=ego!Thought this might interest you?
kind regards michael.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by Mohan.C Before telling you I believe philosophyis like "addagode mele deepa itta hage" (pardon me, it's a kannada proverb. I don't know how to translate). However, it means- like when you keep a lamp on a partition between two rooms it sheds light on both the rooms(concepts). And not taking sides. It does not completely point which is right and which is wrong. Philosophy is reasoning from curiosity of man's thoughts. And it is like that lamp because it tries to cover all concepts and makes it hard to decide which is right because all concepts have some truth in them and hence philosophy can't take sides. Because it is th search for truth in all concepts. That's all I know as I said philosophy is in the middle of everything.

Philosophy is indeed in the middle of everything, and, to extend it, it is also in the edges of nowhere. Between science and art, between what is practice and what is aesthetics, between what is in order and what is in chaos... But it is also neither objective nor subjective, neither a representation nor an expression, neither what is provable nor what is adorable... It is my most tragical archenemy, and my most eternal love and reason to live.

[WithoutMe]

So, Mohan,
u say: -

Originally Posted by Mohan.C spirituality- as I said it is a way of life. And religion is a way to attain spirituality.

So, that would mean religion is a way to attain spirituality wherein spirituality in effect is a way of life, hence, Spirituality, as u say, is way to attain a way of life!!!! So, as u say, is Spirituality a meta-way to life to u?

& what is this way meta-way to life? Aint one already alive!!!!

& how many such layers of "ways" r there to life, i mean with this "way to way", then there may also be "way to way to way" & so on & so foth.. so, how many such layers??
Or is it more like an onion with alternating layers of religion & spirituality??

& Michael, when u said: -

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick the word ego,is used by some to stand for; ease,God,out,=ego!

What did u actually mean??? am sorry but i didnt quite get u!!!!!

Regards,
wM.

[Mohan.C]

In the first place, why would one want to achieve such a thing as Mokhsa, Nirvana or whatever???

Because one is human. And being human dictates that one must understand.

Now, if oner has not achieved such a state, how does one know that there indeed is such a state??? By reading up books on Spirituality, or by observing the so-called realised!!! Then such a "wanting fot such a state" is also something that has been programmed in2 us by Sciety (thru all their Spiritual wish-wash)!!!!!!! Hence, even wanting to achieve such a state is being part of the history of humankind!!!!

One will not know he has attained "such a state". Because to know is also based on our thoughts. There will be complete independence in thoughts and he will also be independent from knowledge. It is like being independent from oneself. Like body and soul become one, one single entity and not two combined. And hence that one is independent from both the body and the soul. This has been told by me. I mean I have not read any spiritual or philosophical books. Instinct is independent. Whereas when you are trying to understand, you compare it with your already existing knowledge which constitutes your past experiences. One does not put a banner on his chest proclaiming I have attained nirvana. Others say he has attained nirvana. You're indian so I guess you know the story of vishwamithra. In the beginning he does penance for a selfish desire but later he realizes his own self and forgets his object of penance and becomes a completely independent soul. And please don't take literary meanings for everything.

& why this need for having a common-ground? (here the need for a TOE is just a guise for the "need for having a common-ground?") ?? Regards, wM.

A need for common ground is not because I said it. It is the way it is.

[WithoutMe]

Originally Posted by Mohan.C Because one is human. And being human dictates that one must understand.

"dictates"!!! So, u mean all this seeking & searching is hardwired??
If so, why is it hardwired?? For Survival? For Survival not just in the form of a Homo Sapien Sapien (survival as a species, survival as the biological entity), but more so, survival as in the mental image (with all its good/bad & its memories, its inheritance of the entirity of the Human Experience thru its conditioning) that we make of ourselves??

See here i am talking abt two entities, one is the biological enitity with all its genetic mappings & its neurological pathways, & the second is the mental image that is made by the reflections thru memory, morality, &he entirity of Human Experience (thru its conditionings).... out of searching a way for the survival of the first entity, was borne the second entity which gets more & more solidified... & as one knows that death is inevitable for the 1st entity, no wonder we need the continuity & 4 that we depend more & more on this second enity, whereas it is what has evolved over the basic biological entity.... i dont know whether i have been able to make it clear, but i'v tried... lol!

Originally Posted by Mohan.C One will not know he has attained "such a state". Because to know is also based on our thoughts. There will be complete independence in thoughts and he will also be independent from knowledge.

To which I ask, Can one expereince something of which one has no knowledge of?

Originally Posted by Mohan.C A need for common ground is not because I said it. It is the way it is.

What? "It is the way it is"??? How do u know so?

Regards,
wM.

[KAC]

One should not follow in the foot steps of those whom were great, one should seek what they seek.

The Being is hardwired to seek understanding, to know oneself, and know one's surroundings.

That you even ask questions is evidence of your desire to know. That I reply is evidence of my desire to know also, for once taugh is twice learned.

It is the job of the fool/shaman/clown/seeker/etcetra to tap the forehead of those around themselves. To assist one in finding the truth of one's self. To open the Mind's eye to the truth that is the universe, and the self.

One's Ego is the driving power, is the desire. When one's ego gets the better of one's self, one is slave to their desires and will suffer. One's dissatisfaction will grow until it is unbearable, or one will realise one's ego and will become whole, realizing the self. One will start the path of enlightenment, the blind will gradually learn to see.

One seeks Nirvana, or allows Nirvana to seek one's self, so that one can be relieved of suffering, of dissatisifaction. So that one can become one with the truth, and be the truth that they seek.

The middle ground or the Common ground is a logical fallacy, though a useful tool for changing perspective. Though one may have only a part of the truth, through understanding, through meditation, and detached perception one can arrive at the objective truth.

It is all your personal path. Know that you walk the Tao, and that the Eternal Tao is indescribable. Know that the Tao is the way, and that the way is truth. The truth shall set you free.

[mkirkpatrick]

Spirituality is about "being"being what!being yourself!For a human being to be truly themselves,to know who and what they are,then theywill be exihibiting
what they really are,and thatis the very embodiment of reality and the furthest outpost of spirit made manifest?


kind regards michael