[Guille]

Originally Posted by Vabrugar Imagine, a human in an empty island creating a farm and a house. Can you relate farm as earth, house as heaven and island as a place where God was before He created heaven and earth? A place where no humans ever think of.

Is there any sense in inventing that other 'place'? I mean, don't you have enough by inventing god, morals, inmortality, infinity... That you need even to event somewhere which is not a where but simply another form or level of existence of which we don't or/and cannot know? And even assuming that god exists, is there any reason that makes be absolutelly sure (and I mean, that by pure logic you can prove there is possible alternative) that your particular view of the world--here talking about your believe in god--is the truth, is correct, is universal knowledge? Why must god have created everything? Why god must have created? Why not the world created god instead of god created the world? Why opposing those two forms, those two theological concepts of transcendence and immanence? Why even having those concepts, aren't they completelly misleading about what the being is (by giving wrong ideas as that there is a supreme being independent of nature, or that everything is not everything, or that infinity is independent of finity)? If we make any theological statement, we must re-consider all the terms and ideas used in such statement. Not from the theological point of view, nor from the metaphysical one, nor from the scientific one; but from the interpretation of texts, from topological (Freud's psicoanalysis) semiotics (Saussure's gramatology). And when we do so, we discover the not-so-importantness of the origin of events, objects and concepts, and we realize the so-importantness of the consecuence of those events, objects and concepts.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Vabrugar Imagine, a human in an empty island creating a farm and a house. Can you relate farm as earth, house as heaven and island as a place where God was before He created heaven and earth? A place where no humans ever think of.

I agree that it is useful to have a backstage to reality that continues to exist before and after the play, but what is the nature of the backstage?

[mkirkpatrick]

The nature of this "backstage" Robert,is unknowable to man in his present
stage in evolution,however this will not always be the case,as man evolves
and begins to express more and more of his inherit divinity,then withthe aid of a much expanded consciousnesss,and with further identification with the
whole,and with the idea of absolute inclusiveness nowfirmlyembedded in the
consciousness of the one who is waking into this new dawn,then there will
be the ability to see behind the screen,and witness the before?



kind regards michael.

[HappytheStripper]

Hey all .. the mind is a shadow (thanks michael) and backstage is a projector .. lights .. camera .. action .. at least I think thats how it goes ..

And it all began with an "idea" .. in the "shadow" of the "minds eye" .. like every good book really ..

Ashley

[michellemfry]

You may think this slightly disrespectful, but I tire of the images that we are fed of the Almighty suffering, etc., or just creating and disappearing, hopefully not consumed in the process.

Actually, I imagine God suddenly feeling something gigantic and momentous coming over Him, giving in to the powers that came to be, and then sorting out just what the heck happened! Maybe a small moment of what have I done, and hopefully, long stretches of understanding, grace, and patience for all that are helplessly adoring, from near and far.

I mean no disprespect, please believe me. Honestly, I don't know where these feelings come from sometimes. Must I question the origin of that which comforts and soothes and reassures. That would be silly at best.

[harmonygirl]

Michelle,
I must have missed the image(s) of the Goddess suffering or disappearing altogether!

[HappytheStripper]

Originally Posted by Vabrugar Heaven may be an spritual world while earth is a material world. We know the bible said, God created heaven and earth. But where was God before He created heaven and earth? Any thoughts?

Okay so I have a few questions .. who is god .. ?? everyone speaks of this godly character .. and who knows for sure god exists as he is said to .. or she .. as the god/ess .. ??

Who said heavan and earth were created .. ?? Maybe they just appeared out of no-where .. and are now-here ..

What is this heavan you speak of .. ?? And just for clarification would you please define for me .. "material" .. thanks .. Im blonde ..

Threads about God always confuse me .. hehe

Originally Posted by Guille Is there any sense in inventing that other 'place'? I mean, don't you have enough by inventing god, morals, inmortality, infinity... That you need even to event somewhere which is not a where but simply another form or level of existence of which we don't or/and cannot know? And even assuming that god exists, is there any reason that makes be absolutelly sure (and I mean, that by pure logic you can prove there is possible alternative) that your particular view of the world--here talking about your believe in god--is the truth, is correct, is universal knowledge? Why must god have created everything? Why god must have created? Why not the world created god instead of god created the world? Why opposing those two forms, those two theological concepts of transcendence and immanence? Why even having those concepts, aren't they completelly misleading about what the being is (by giving wrong ideas as that there is a supreme being independent of nature, or that everything is not everything, or that infinity is independent of finity)? If we make any theological statement, we must re-consider all the terms and ideas used in such statement.

*nods* in agreement .. yes guille that is my point exactly .. a belief something exists .. holds no weight in theory .. and is simply an idea .. based on an assumption of .. the fundamentals of existance ..

Ashley

[dleviwing]

When humans created god, it was to provide answers to the unknown physical phenomena of their environment. Latter the concepts of a god became a political doctrine to control the social behavior of groups of humans just as it is being used today. It is the greatest money making scam of all human history and is only successful if you keep the majority of humans stupid enough to accept the dogma.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by dleviwing When humans created god, it was to provide answers to the unknown physical phenomena of their environment. Latter the concepts of a god became a political doctrine to control the social behavior of groups of humans just as it is being used today. It is the greatest money making scam of all human history and is only successful if you keep the majority of humans stupid enough to accept the dogma.

Actually every single doctrine to control social begaviour in groups of humans requiers humans to keep certain (considerably big) amount of stupidity. God, money, and any other idle.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Was god created by quantum accident, or metaphysical intentionality...?

regards