[Mr. Nobody]

My understanding of God is to subscribe simple observation and exclude all mythical to come to this logical conclusion:
God is reality, the energy that we all represent, being part of us, nothing more, nothing less. God does not have a separate existence, but is existence. God does not act, nor has consciousness, but obtains a persona through our thoughts, as we are living, thinking beings in need of reason for all there is to see. Our mortality and emergent intelligence spawned the concept of creation and the concept of a separate entity that controls an environment that was shaped by the evolution of matter. We Are God.
Therefore, there never is and never was a before nor after God, as this would exclude reality. Existence without reality is nonsensical

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Mr. Nobody My understanding of God is to subscribe simple observation and exclude all mythical to come to this logical conclusion: God is reality, the energy that we all represent, being part of us, nothing more, nothing less. God does not have a separate existence, but is existence. God does not act, nor has consciousness, but obtains a persona through our thoughts, as we are living, thinking beings in need of reason for all there is to see. Our mortality and emergent intelligence spawned the concept of creation and the concept of a separate entity that controls an environment that was shaped by the evolution of matter. We Are God. Therefore, there never is and never was a before nor after God, as this would exclude reality. Existence without reality is nonsensical

I agree absolutely with you there Mr nobody,the One has always been.


kind regards michael.

[sc0rpi0n]

hey ,why do u confuse urselves ?
God is only a thing that is made by our mind , see, there were no us(human) so there were no mind and when there's no mind then there's no god ,
we have to believe in sth to have a reason to continue the life , then
we believe that sth with the positive existence & dominance exist that we expect fare things from, and thats god ,
the same things happen for the evil ,
all the supernatural things that we believe in are just creatures of our minds ,
best wishes for my new friend

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by sc0rpi0n hey ,why do u confuse urselves ? God is only a thing that is made by our mind , see, there were no us(human) so there were no mind and when there's no mind then there's no god , we have to believe in sth to have a reason to continue the life , then we believe that sth with the positive existence & dominance exist that we expect fare things from, and thats god , the same things happen for the evil , all the supernatural things that we believe in are just creatures of our minds , best wishes for my new friend

Welcome,Scorpion,Ramin,just a point
to your reply,are you suggesting,that before man,there was no mind???I
would be grateful for your response,thanks,Michael.


kind regards michael.

[chazzysaw]

I believe the Power always was and always will be.My reason is base on time. In God there is no time, there is no past and no future there is only the Now, in God.We as matter operating in the material existence are rule by time. God is not. Everything that exist in the material space has a time to live and die. Every planet, star,galaxy will die wether in 1day or a billion years, time controls. But out of death comes new life and I believe this has been going on and will continue to go on forever. I believe the Ever Present Now manifest the material existence therefore I believe matter always was and always will be.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by chazzysaw I believe the Power always was and always will be.My reason is base on time. In God there is no time, there is no past and no future there is only the Now, in God.We as matter operating in the material existence are rule by time. God is not. Everything that exist in the material space has a time to live and die. Every planet, star,galaxy will die wether in 1day or a billion years, time controls. But out of death comes new life and I believe this has been going on and will continue to go on forever. I believe the Ever Present Now manifest the material existence therefore I believe matter always was and always will be.

Chazzysaw,I tend to agree
with what you have stated,the One,exists in the eternal now,and so do we,
at our inner core,spirit.It is the outer appearances that seem caught up in time and space.

kind regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

I agree, but the Goddess is not only about breaking free of dimensional restriction; if you look, you can see her in the eyes of loved ones, you can hear her in the sound of wind through the trees, you can smell her in the salty sea air. She is we.

[Benedict Broere]

It seems we know a lot about God.

But is there a God? And if so, is it a He or She or It, or...
And what is 'heaven and earth'?
And what about moral? This Tirannosaurus Rex, this mean-machine? If God, than God is one way or another responsible for that.

Personally I favour something creative responsible for the universes being.
But it seems to be different from the God we know traditionally. It's more a kind of force, inventing, exploring, learning. And also it seems it was always there, as the source of universa.

But in the end it's an enigma. We won't know. Because if we would know, we would be God. And we aren't, apparently. Or it would be that we are gods inventing a God. And so on.

Still I think God is an invention that is able to give everything meaning. Only than everything becomes a happening we could be in, as something creative, as meant for the stars, as meant to be something important, within all this what is going on.

But skip God, and all that falls apart. No focus, no view, only us, in this void, this meaningless void, we desperately try to fill with kicks, with sex, with violence, with hyper-personal endeavours, with struggling for power, with Donald-Trump-ego-adventures, with reaching for the top, with... ourselves.

This is us. It's all in the game. God, no-God.

And of course the two viewpoints are extremes, the very ends of the spectrum we are part of.

[chazzysaw]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl I agree, but the Goddess is not only about breaking free of dimensional restriction; if you look, you can see her in the eyes of loved ones, you can hear her in the sound of wind through the trees, you can smell her in the salty sea air. She is we.

Yes I agree there is no separation we are all in her and she is in us. Christ said "I in the father(mother) and the father in me. Everything is saturated in the Power. I see, feel, smell and hear her everyday in life.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by Vabrugar God exists as our mind exist. We cannot see God through our eyes, but He indeed exist. We cannot see our minds through our eyes but we completely admit it exists, as God exists. Only a mindless person will say that mind don't exist and God don't exist.

Sometimes, before saying things, it is good to listen and read what others say and have said. Go and read The Discourse of Method of Descartes and we'll discuss when you finish. It includes an obvious rationalizing which concludes the famous 'I think, therefore I am' but with an important meaning; the mind can know that it exists. That's the only statement on which I agree with Descartes, and no philosopher has fought it, it's just true. One of the truest things that philosophy has given us. Now, he also included a proof of the existence of god which is not at all good, in contrary to his proof the mind. Your rationality is completelly fallacious; just for the fact that two concepts or entities don't satisfy a condition, it doesn't mean that they will satisfy the same conditions. That's like saying that because neither dogs or snakes fly, that they will both lay eggs. Not only you need to go and learn some philosophy, but also some science.