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12-15-2006, 02:43 AM
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God is nowhere, has no size, and the universe has been inside of it forever.
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12-15-2006, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric  God is nowhere, has no size, and the universe has been inside of it forever. | Nice emotional conjecture Eric___I'd like to see your scientific, logical proof, please...
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I think you better listen a bit more closely to SillySally___one of the world's real emotional gurus.
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12-15-2006, 02:22 PM
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Why does someone come to an ID thread to speak of science, when science can not disprove the existence of God?
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12-16-2006, 09:19 PM
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I believe science proves the existence of God. But then again that depends on who or what your God is. The eternal power the "Christian" prophet Jesus talk about is science. His science was so deep he use parables to explain it to the people of that time. They did'nt get it then and only a few get it today. | | | | Moderator
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12-16-2006, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by chazzysaw I believe science proves the existence of God. But then again that depends on who or what your God is. The eternal power the "Christian" prophet Jesus talk about is science. His science was so deep he use parables to explain it to the people of that time. They did'nt get it then and only a few get it today. |
That is so true,well said,Chazzysaw,the parables were symbols of eternal truths,locked
up in words,awaiting an open mind to see the hidden treasure.
regards michael.
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12-17-2006, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Why does someone come to an ID thread to speak of science, when science can not disprove the existence of God? | To hunt down the terrorist of sceince and logic___aaah you, Eric.
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12-18-2006, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie To hunt down the terrorist of sceince and logic___aaah you, Eric.
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Science is an endless process, the findings of today being outdated by those of tomorrow. Thus its picture of Truth, whatever it may be, is an ever shifting one and in fact it can never be a picture of Truth for Truth in its very nature is changeless.
The adherents of science fail to see this significant limitation of science for they mistake knowledge for Truth and forget that if science is to be our only means to Truth, then man can never hope to reach that goal.
Looking on the other side of the picture, there is the incontroverted testimony of the saints and mystics who tell us that Truth can be realized by man, and who go on to say that a pursuit of science i.e. "objective" factual knowledge is a distraction from It.
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12-18-2006, 03:28 PM
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IC, isn't this thread about "intelligent" design? How would one define intelligent, if not the dictionary's deffinitions? Please read the controversies at this link; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_(trait) then maybe you and others can process intelligence, properly.
True intelligence requires rules based analytic thinking to avoid the linguistic quagmires of incorrect outcomes... Without scientific processing through rules of logic respected, there is no real or absolute truth, there's only subjective, most often irrational hope, and magic, that doesn't exist... Logic is the only true processor of absolutely sound fundamental cognitive truths, in all fields... We know our emotions to be true to ourselves, but they most often have nothing to do with the real world, except physical attractions to our mates, and often other cuties with gorgeous bodies...
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Originally Posted by Infinite Consciousness Science is an endless process, the findings of today being outdated by those of tomorrow. Thus its picture of Truth, whatever it may be, is an ever shifting one and in fact it can never be a picture of Truth for Truth in its very nature is changeless.["Changes, changes, changes; these things too shall pass away." I Ching. Aah, finite radiation decay into the infinite absolute thermal matter motion?___The only absolute, absolute.]
The adherents of science fail to see this significant limitation of science for they mistake knowledge for Truth and forget that if science is to be our only means to Truth, then man can never hope to reach that goal.[Your personal private language emotional ideas.]
Looking on the other side of the picture, there is the incontroverted testimony of the saints and mystics who tell us that Truth can be realized by man, and who go on to say that a pursuit of science i.e. "objective" factual knowledge is a distraction from It.[False magic.]
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12-18-2006, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie IC, isn't this thread about "intelligent" design? How would one define intelligent, if not the dictionary's deffinitions? Please read the controversies at this link; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_(trait) then maybe you and others can process intelligence, properly.
True intelligence requires rules based analytic thinking to avoid the linguistic quagmires of incorrect outcomes... Without scientific processing through rules of logic respected, there is no real or absolute truth, there's only subjective, most often irrational hope, and magic, that doesn't exist... Logic is the only true processor of absolutely sound fundamental cognitive truths, in all fields... We know our emotions to be true to ourselves, but they most often have nothing to do with the real world, except physical attractions to our mates, and often other cuties with gorgeous bodies...
regards, | Wikepedia, states that intelligence is a property of the mind. Mind is the problem. How can the intellegence of the mind step passed itself. The mind's intelligence can only know mind. How could it possibly know anything else ? Consciousness needs to step out of the mind that it is bringing to life and know itself. Wake up and smell the roses.
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12-18-2006, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Infinite Consciousness Wikepedia, states that intelligence is a property of the mind. Mind is the problem. How can the intellegence of the mind step passed itself. The mind's intelligence can only know mind. How could it possibly know anything else ? Consciousness needs to step out of the mind that it is bringing to life and know itself. Wake up and smell the roses.
Read "Materialism As An Absolute" to see where your science takes you. | No thanks...
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