Science 'versus' God?

[Drifter]

It may be as you say .... 'foolish self righteous man' may not be perfect ... but at the least he has the ability to decide, which is more than all other species.

No other species has the luxurious choice of sinning when they feel like it. God may have booted the devil, but he still has a soft spot for him ... lol

cool bananas ... greg

Well Greg I agree to a point. all animals have a choice, but mostly no logic or any capacity to reason things out, they get hungry they eat, thirsty, they drink, in mating season they mate.

Mankind could learn a lot from the animals, as God loves us all as His children through Christ.

Satan(ego) had his chance, and he blew it, when he thought he was all that, better than God and he (ego) plotted with the others 'angels', in the concourse on high, to subjugate/overthrow God. God got wind of it, since He (God) is Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent, and threw him (satan) out of heaven by his ears/horns/tail.

This is pertinent,before we go far in this, to clarify that, God is Absolute or latent Awareness with potential, by nature, Awareness(True Subject) The Father also illumines, is the essence of,any and all other things (all objects) including the sons and daughters of men, and all that they perceive as well.

God's only soft-spot is for His children who seek Him out, by not turning against him, like the first one, his 'right-hand man', Satan/Lucifer, whom He placed in chage of all the other angels, betrayal. He/Satn/Lucifer was judged and banished. To the earthly realm, and here/this is Lucfers, country. imho Just wake up to the self impsed hypnotic trancwe satan has you under and will see clearly. The turtle-neck sweater is kind od dated these daze.

Who's driving the vehicle anyway? Your will(self-interest) or His Will ( My only glory is His glory shinning-through me).

Rice and Beans!

Love ya Brother,

Drift

[Graybeard]

Drift .... this is from a post in the 'root of all evil' thread

At the end of the day you can't help but admire the devil a little bit, certainly feel sorry for him. When God commanded him to bow his head before Adam, (a thing of water and clay) he refused .... on the grounds that he needed a worthy adversery, one that could defeat him, else why bow his head to less ........

So you can see, he wasn't all bad.

When Gabriel commiserates with him, (the devil) in his aloneness and misery after being booted out of heaven, Iblis replies: If you are ever alone with God, ask him: Whose blood coloured the story of Adam. And with this thing between us, how I could I bow my head.

Iblis is implying that not God alone, but Iblis, at Gods right hand, created us, and if Gabriel should ask God, off the record (when he is alone with him) , he will confirm it. Hence Iblis's complaint: And with this thing between us, how I could I bow my head.

Words that make even God uncomfortable. Iblis is a rival of God himself, which God recognises - to his discomfort. Gabriel is no threat at all, he is engaged in meaningless repetition of the formulaic hymn, "He is God, He is God, He ....".

For an educated look at the Root of All Evil you could do worse than peruse a book called 'Tulip in the Desert' by Muhammad Iqbal. 1877 - 1938.

He also wrote a book called 'Scorpion Land' which criticises slave mentality.
(he is god, he is g......)

cool bananas .... greg

PS: if you ask Drift nicely, he might even have it and can quote for us ... lol

[Drifter]

It may be as you say .... 'foolish self righteous man' may not be perfect ... but at the least he has the ability to decide, which is more than all other species.

No other species has the luxurious choice of sinning when they feel like it. God may have booted the devil, but he still has a soft spot for him ... lol

cool bananas ... greg

The choice to decide, when left to ""foolish self-interested men"" will always be imperfect, for their ego is thinking the thinking mechanism for them, the uncontrolled, undisciplined spiritually untrained stinted mind is controlling, forcing its diciplines on them, subject to their ego's, their mind.

The instrument has taken them hostage, they have unwittingly 'empowered it to do so.

Heart-wretching innocence gone astray that they are. Prisoners, in a prison of their making. Awakening is simply That.

[Drifter]

Drift .... this is from a post in the 'root of all evil' thread

Nay, Don't have that one (author)buddy, books either.

More interested in another direction or simply haven't had the pleasure of reading this particular one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyxdGDLrtZU

If, you catch my Drift?

[Drifter]

Drift .... this is from a post in the 'root of all evil' thread

So God made satan into the serpent to tempt people into unrighteousness thoughts, words and deeds, after eating of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil, as Eve, the archtype of relative consciousness gone wayward, and down that path did.

'The Garden' is the motif for the psyche 'contemplation/rationalizing/logic' of the mind.

[melanie]

"My Father and I are one, but He is greater than I." gotta Love His stuff, He woke up a lot of them, and stupefied the rest."

Disciples: "Why is it to us, you speak the truth but to them, you speak in parables?

Christ: "For you it Is to know, for them, 'it is not'."

Hi Drift,
You're Quote above.....
I myself, only yesterday, was writing to some others illustrating very similar thoughts over on the .. 'Is it possible to prove the non-existence of God?' ...thread,
only my expression was worded in a different way.

We must be on the same frequency level, talking the same language. lol

What amazing synchronous harmony.

[melanie]

Hi Mel;
Maybe this link will help:
life

Thanks pal,

Maybe this link will help.


From: Richard Sylvester's book "I hope you die soon "
Visit Richard's web site at: http://www.richardsylvester.com

Question: How do you find out what happens after death?

Answer: You ask someone who has died.

Last night I dreamt that I was having dinner in a restaurant with an old friend.
We asked for the bill but before it came I woke up.
Did my friend have to pay my share of the bill?

It is easy to see that the question about my dream is absurd.
It is the same with the question "What happens to me after death?"
The question dissolves when it is seen that I am a dreamed character.
Then it is seen that there is no 'me' who dies, no 'after' because time is created only in the dreamed mind
and no 'death' because death is simply the awakening from the dream.
If there were anyone who could choose not to worry, I would say "Don't worry.
It will be alright."

But the mind cannot imagine its own annihilation.
Faced with the appearance of death in the dream, the mind creates stories about its own continued existence after death.
All of these stories are like answers to the question
"Who pays the restaurant bill of the dreamer who wakes up before the bill arrives?"
Yippee, Schoooooolz out forEVER

[Drifter]

Hello love,

I hear the harmony we have together too.

Knowing God's Love,

is the ultimate peace

and tranquility.

I rest in His embrace.

Holy Fire:

In my heart there burns a Flame,

and It's a Holy-Fire.


How I longed to be with Him,

it was my hearts desire.

Oft within That Holy Place,

and kneeling at His Throne;


He is always there for me,

and I am not alone. . .

Enchanted,
Drift.

Hi Drift,
You're Quote above.....
I myself, only yesterday, was writing to some others illustrating very similar thoughts over on the .. 'Is it possible to prove the non-existence of God?' ...thread,
only my expression was worded in a different way.

We must be on the same frequency level, talking the same language. lol

What amazing synchronous harmony.

[Drifter]

Hi Drift,
You're Quote above.....
I myself, only yesterday, was writing to some others illustrating very similar thoughts over on the .. 'Is it possible to prove the non-existence of God?' ...thread,
only my expression was worded in a different way.

We must be on the same frequency level, talking the same language. lol

What amazing synchronous harmony.

I might suggest that "God" is the ineffible boundlessness that all things appear in. The convoluting rythmic dance of life and death itself, ever evolving from within Itself to without.

The uestion is untenable, as explained by the allegory of Isaiah and vine previously posted.

Such is the power of mind in those who know God in their heart.

The heart cannot embrace what mind rejects, Lucifer (ego) knows this and governs man accordingly, for what is in his heart, be-caused, will spill out the mouth, like a mudslide, the tongue like a whip, perhaps the tail of the serpent dwelling within, it speaks the poison of suffering and death, to those whom listen.

Love

Drifter

[Drifter]

Hi Drift,
You're Quote above.....
I myself, only yesterday, was writing to some others illustrating very similar thoughts over on the .. 'Is it possible to prove the non-existence of God?' ...thread,
only my expression was worded in a different way.

We must be on the same frequency level, talking the same language. lol

What amazing synchronous harmony.

I might suggest that "God" is the ineffible boundlessness that all things appear in. The convoluting rythmic dance of life and death itself, ever evolving from within Itself to without.

The uestion is untenable, as explained by the allegory of Isaiah and vine previously posted.

There are thing seen and things unseen, conspicuous and inconspicious, known and unknow, is this not so?

Such is the power of mind in those who know God in their heart. The tongue in man reveals what's hidden in his heart.

The heart cannot embrace what mind rejects, Lucifer (ego) knows this and governs his man accordingly, for what is in his heart, be-caused, will spill out the mouth, like a mudslide, the tongue like a whip, perhaps the tail of the serpent dwelling within, it speaks the poison of suffering and death, to those whom listen.



Love

Drifter