Science 'versus' God?

[Drifter]

Hey Drift .... howzit goin mate ? I swore off this thread but as no one else is around I'm just popping in to say hello .. lol

I don't think Jesus would have been of such ignorance either.

But how do you explain Jesus's stepping outside the law regarding the sabbath. Once, when very young, he was making pigeons out of clay. Unfortunately he was doing this on the sabbath and the elders remonstrated with his parents. He was dragged forward with the clay pigeons in his hand. It was explained to him that he was breaking the law and that he was not to do so in the future. So he opened his hands and the pigeons flew away.

In retrospect, do you think he did break the law ??? ..... lol

cool bananas ... greg

"He opened His hands and all the pigeons flew away."
His hands opened because His heart was open to His Father.

From the vantage point of modernism looking back in antiguity it can easily be surmised that the early Roman Catholic church, under Constatine "The Emporer of Rome" in his time, backed "religion" as a tool to control the masses, for Rome's vainglory. The church headed by Constantines appointed "bishop's" who, like their benevolent funder, rose to power within their own decree. They pilaged and plundered tortured and murdered any who opposed them. It got its wealth by preying on the miseries of it innocent victims.

An early vestige of the now megalomaniacal I. R. S. which stands as the symbol of mandatory sacrifice for the average man and woman's blood, seat and tears, the effort of the most productive time of their lives. Just two contentions I hold about early "Christianity" and state that has thus trancended time, for the most part unchaged in this mentality. Thei simply dropped the 'religous aspect, and it was business as usual.

The church on the oher hand, a great source of its wealth still now diverted to state, it these monolithic entities unfathomably wealthy institutions that govern in secular and religious circles that are the bane of so many wise-men. So their hands are tied to choose the one or the other. Where money is concerned, and vast unimaginable amounts of it, there will allways be collusion and rife, inequity, injustice, partiality, suffering and death.



Then out spake brave Horatius, The Captain of the Gate:

" To every man upon this earth, death cometh soon or late.

And how can man die better then facing fearful odds,
for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his gods? "

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius--and a lot of courage--to move in the opposite direction."-Albert Einstein

Be honest with your self?


Is it really so hard to assimilate? I.E. Compost the esoteric 'hidden message' contained within these quatrains?

Is there not a hidden revelation, in plain sight, whispering, contained within that 'message'(the point), just for you?

If so,

Perhaps "you" are

a chosen one?

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Graybeard
Hey Drift .... howzit goin mate ? I swore off this thread but as no one else is around I'm just popping in to say hello .. lol

I don't think Jesus would have been of such ignorance either.


Jesus, remind's me of you greg.

Brother of the Holy-Grail?

Namaste` Brother

Drift.

[melanie]

Is There Consciousness Within Science?
An Interview with Ravi Gomatam by Thomas Beaudry


An Excerpt:

Today science is totaly without a framework for values.
Any highschool boy or girl knows how to calculate the force
with which a stone he or she throws will hit someone in the face,
but nothing in those equations they use will tell them whether or not to throw it.
Given the fact that science is perturbing our universe in greater and greater proportions,
it is essential that we address the absence of values within science.
We must note that the changes wrought by science and technology to our environment are always irreversible.
That is to say we cannot go on polluting our environment for years and then one day suddenly say "Oops, that was a mistake, let's take it back."
It is easy to destroy something, but much more difficult to put it back together again.
To solve the problem of values we must know what is valuable. Consciousness is the most valuable commodity.
Without consciousness our own bodies as dear as they are to us, are suddenly without value.
This of course is a philosophical argument, but nonetheless an pragmatic one.
If we accept it, then, to bring values into science,we need to connect science with what is valuable—consciousness.


"As science went further and further into the external world,
they ended up inside the atom where to their surprise they saw consciousness staring them in the face!"

Lest we forget without consciousness there is NO reality,

[Drifter]

Drift .... this is from a post in the 'root of all evil' thread

"A scorpion who couldn't swim asked the frog to carry him across the river on his back. The frog said, "Do you think I'm crazy? Halfway across the river, you'll sting me and I'll drown." "That's not reasonable," said the scorpion. "If I sting you and you drown, I'll drown too." Frog thought about it, he said, "Climb on." Halfway across the river, the scorpion stung the frog, and as the frog was drowning, he said to the scorpion, "But now you'll drown too." The scorpion said, "Yes. I know." "That's not reasonable," said the frog, and the scorpion replied, "Reason has nothing to do with it. I'm a scorpion. It's my character."




Skin DeepDirected byBlake EdwardsProduced byTony AdamsWritten byBlake EdwardsActors Guess Who



Plot

The movie concerns the romantic life of Zachary 'Zach' Hutton , a brilliant and successful author who has a severe weakness for drink and beautiful women. The opening scene depicts Zach's mistress walking in on him in the process of cheating on her, followed by his wife discovering him with both women. Following the breakup of the relationship with both his wife and mistress, Zach engages in a long period of binge-drinking and seeking solace with a string of women. Most of the comedy is generated by his sarcastic responses to almost everything said to him, and a degree of slapstick. Perhaps the most memorable scene is shot in total darkness, with Zach wearing a luminous condom as he prepares to have sex with another woman. When her boyfriend returns similarly equipped the two men engage in a frantic fight, their attire bouncing crazily across the room being the only visible element.
As his self-destructive behaviour reaches ever-greater heights it begins to dawn on even Zach just how badly off he is, and he seeks to resolve his inner demons and rebuild his relationship with his wife.

Quite the satire for the human condition, eh?

[everymansmedium]

John,

Quantum effects defy the law of causality yet they can explain correctly the horrible effects of radioactivity and sadly the creation of atomic bombs. My scientific explanation for someone walking on water is that of antigravity power or surface tension power as a fly or mosquito can easily do so.

Hello A.L.:
I should clarify what I mean when I say that I believe that walking on water is possible. I am quite aware of the physical laws that will enable or disable most acts. To better understand my point of view. My Faith in the laws of physics to hold true is as great as any reasonable man. But my reason also tells me that the most likely origin of what I am seeing is divine. To me the entire field of Quantum Physics looks very much like the digital interface to the creators creation machine. So I must say that if I had reason to believe that the creator was talking directly to me and told me that I could walk on water. I would not hesitate for even a second it would be as real as it is to walk to the bathroom in the morning when I get out of bed. But to me that would be Faith for a Reason. I hope that helps to make my position understood.
John.

[Drifter]

Is There Consciousness Within Science?
An Interview with Ravi Gomatam by Thomas Beaudry


An Excerpt:

Today science is totaly without a framework for values.
Any highschool boy or girl knows how to calculate the force
with which a stone he or she throws will hit someone in the face,
but nothing in those equations they use will tell them whether or not to throw it.
Given the fact that science is perturbing our universe in greater and greater proportions,
it is essential that we address the absence of values within science.
We must note that the changes wrought by science and technology to our environment are always irreversible.
That is to say we cannot go on polluting our environment for years and then one day suddenly say "Oops, that was a mistake, let's take it back."
It is easy to destroy something, but much more difficult to put it back together again.
To solve the problem of values we must know what is valuable. Consciousness is the most valuable commodity.
Without consciousness our own bodies as dear as they are to us, are suddenly without value.
This of course is a philosophical argument, but nonetheless an pragmatic one.
If we accept it, then, to bring values into science,we need to connect science with what is valuable—consciousness.


"As science went further and further into the external world,
they ended up inside the atom where to their surprise they saw consciousness staring them in the face!"

Lest we forget without consciousness there is NO reality,

as a foootnote: It is a also a Philosophical question whether science is lead by a conscience or its own self-interest and aggrandizement (vis: The early Roman Catholic Church and the Nationalization of the Nazi Regime), without Consciousness, science wouldn't be. It all began innocently enough
as an ideation in someones mind. aka. Consciousness, relatively speaking.

[Drifter]

Hello A.L.:
I should clarify what I mean when I say that I believe that walking on water is possible. I am quite aware of the physical laws that will enable or disable most acts. To better understand my point of view. My Faith in the laws of physics to hold true is as great as any reasonable man. But my reason also tells me that the most likely origin of what I am seeing is divine. To me the entire field of Quantum Physics looks very much like the digital interface to the creators creation machine. So I must say that if I had reason to believe that the creator was talking directly to me and told me that I could walk on water. I would not hesitate for even a second it would be as real as it is to walk to the bathroom in the morning when I get out of bed. But to me that would be Faith for a Reason. I hope that helps to make my position understood.
John.

Within the annals of N.L.P. there are acounts of some pretty amazing amazing things.
Fire walking and such,etc.

Hypnotist manipulate these forces by subtle but very dramaticcoersion techniques, thought I believe little of what I hear thee days and less of what I see in many cases, I do believe in the possibility that what the mind can conceive, man can achieve, even though we may have to wait fro the technology of science to progress to the relative state that makes it possible.

btw Welcome John, Nice to see you back. Did you finish digging that well in your back-yard, was it?

ps If I didn'd already do so, thank for the mention @ the link you previous, as I lost, posted.

namaste`brother,

D.

[Drifter]

Now this is what I call, Scientific investigative research!

Empirical Layperson proof. lol imho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF3L359yKjs

[chazzysaw]

It is not so much whether science versus God because there is no competition there. It is religion that is competing with science. A matter of faith versus' fact, mythology versus' history, belief versus' theory. God stands alone it is these things that divide the conscious power.

[chazzysaw]

Will religion and science ever merge and if it does it will be a new type of belief and then again maybe not new but different. We will have merged into a higher conscious understanding not only religiously but scientifically too. Science can learn allot about the unseen spiritual aspect of existence but they will not accept it. Religion on the other hand will not accept the true discoveries of science in fear of there God's existence.