Science 'versus' God?

[melanie]

Which alternative best fits the evidence?

I can do a sideline on the probability analysis to evaluate if God and not God is on an even footing. Note: it is far from 50-50.

Clone say Ditto to that one yay!

[Profpat]

Prof, old buddy,

Does it make you feel good or superior when you attack a person's faith Austin?

We are getting bogged down here by the presumptions of bad content that isn’t even happening, nor will it be. Some may cry and some may be happy and enlightened. The truth just is; it isn’t out to hurt anyone.


So I have Aristotle, Galileo, Newton, Darwin, and Einstein on my side, and you have Dumbkins.

Einstein's position has both pro and con votes. Anyway, it’s not really a matter of votes. If it was, the Earth might have still been flat with the sun going around it. There’s no need to burn idea holders at the stake anymore. Ideas can be freely explored now.

Getting upset or gathering votes doesn’t really address the testing of a theory. Only evidence counts.

Sorry Austin;

Your right. This is a science vs God thread, and that is what you are doing. So carry on sir; I'm interested.

Best,

Pat

[austintorn@aol.com]

Thanks, Michael. It is indeed a beautiful story.

And hail to the ' basic' THREE: the up-quark, the down-quark and the electron.

What lies beneath them seems to be an absolute state containing no hidden variables. If the quantum beat were not random, Mel and I would dance to it.

Hey, maybe we'll consider it as jazz (noise) and still dance, as all creatures are both the dance and the dancer.

[Profpat]

Most Scientists accept that it was 14 billion years ago that the BB inflation occurred, the universe may be much older, even eternal

Maybe, but the best evidence is that for the BB. That there was a Beginning.

It may be eternal, for something has to be eternal. So what evidence do you have that the universe is eternal? No fair grave robbing Hoyle for his brain thoughts on this matter.

Best,

Pat

[melanie]

Thanks, Michael. It is indeed a beautiful story.

And hail to the ' basic' THREE: the up-quark, the down-quark and the electron.

What lies beneath them seems to be an absolute state containing no hidden variables. If the quantum beat were not random, Mel and I would dance to it.

Hey, maybe we'll consider it as jazz (noise) and still dance, as all creatures are both the dance and the dancer.

Just for a bit of fun guys because it's fun to be fun, and besides us girls just wanna have fun ya know...
BTW, this must be our 21st Century EVE ... hahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRsoKMdF9QY

No pat, i haven't been taking anything, i don't do weird stuff.
Except post on forums...
I'm quite a nice girl actually.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Another attribute of God the Theity:

8 ) God published a book.

It became the #1 bestseller of all time. We are not concerned here with the variations between ‘bibles’. The Mormans have many unique and extra chapters, the Lutherans may have a few, one that I know of, like Revelations, plus the Vatican even has many totally unpublished chapters deep within in its archives.

I will only be addressing the common core. Humans may have gotten the conflicting portions all wrong.

God may also publish a movie, to keep up with the times of newer media, but I can surely say that is not ‘Angels & Demons’.

Prof, did you ever look at the movie clip. It has antimatter and Vatican City in it, not to mention the greatest music by Hans Zimmer and a rare Galileo folio.

http://www.toequest.com/forum/intell...html#post88104

[Profpat]

Thanks, Michael. It is indeed a beautiful story.

And hail to the ' basic' THREE: the up-quark, the down-quark and the electron.

What lies beneath them seems to be an absolute state containing no hidden variables. If the quantum beat were not random, Mel and I would dance to it.

Hey, maybe we'll consider it as jazz (noise) and still dance, as all creatures are both the dance and the dancer.

You're right Austin, and those three little quarks are attached together with gluons, that just happens to be there, or as I believe they are superposed and entangled. At any case confined, and they have asymptotic freedom and display random interplay. And from something that small comes are reality.

I have a feeling that we both find that amazing and awesome.

[austintorn@aol.com]

I have a feeling that we both find that amazing and awesome.


It's the greatest, Prof, those 2 quarks and the electron. There is such simplicity in nature! It's also like that the 3 primary colors can blend into millions of unique colors.

Maybe, there are some forces, too, but they could be of the 3.

Nature ever seems to be efficient and simple at its base, the higher complexities built upon it later on as they progress upwards to stars to more atoms to molecules to cells to life.

The simple 3 is probably the first place where Occam's razor shaved his beard.

Oddly enough, looking back down, this simple place of 3 is also near where many try to place the most Ultimate Complexity imaginable. That seems way out of place; I'd bet that there is even simpler stuff beneath, as that is the trend as we go ever downward from our complexity all about.

That would be the quantum realm, potential, possibility or whatever we want to call it, it being eternal and needing no more turtles beneath it.

'Possibility' can do it all; there would be no need for more possibility underlying it.

[Profpat]

Hi Austin;

I forget if it was you or Fredrick that I discussed Potential with. I thought we concluded that if nothing else you needed movement. And we are back to Aristotles " Prime Mover " be He God or not.

If not, how do you get movement in your theory. Can we call your Potential or Movement; God. A good definition, in that it's extremely brief, and as you know, I believe that, the God that can be defined is not God. Again because definitions limits and I have no interest in limiting God.

And it's so vague, it doesn't even imply intelligent design. It does imply a Prime Mover.

Best,

Pat

[austintorn@aol.com]

I forget if it was you or Fredrick that I discussed Potential with

Both of us, Prof. Movement is of physical laws; Potential necessarily came before laws and form. It made them. Fully defined laws of strength, size, mass, inherent properties, forces, where, and how much can't just be sitting around eternally with no definition in the first place, there being no first place when somethings is/was eternal. There was creation!


My SuperToe deals with this Potential/Possibility, but it has more than a few words in it:

http://www.toequest.com/forum/your-t...super-toe.html


Also, how was that video that contains a name that I dare not even post here, one that even reads the same upside down.