Science 'versus' God?

[r.p.bibra]

Very true Austin, not only religions but all kinds of ‘ism lead to disharmony in the society! So far over 15000 wars have been fought in the recorded history of mankind and over 5000 were in the name of religions. (Or religious expansionism?). Banning religion is no remedy, as this was practiced in communist countries---again by another ‘ism (communism)---and the results are before us! They killed their own countrymen in billions. The only panacea is, your way that is of love. It is worth trying, as all other ‘ism have failed, because when a ‘thought’/philosophy’s vision is narrowed downed and downgraded into an ‘ism, its very purpose is defeated and divisive elements sprouts.
“Goodness, compassion, tolerance – through these virtues one can perceive the Divinity in oneself and in others. Softness of heart is often condemned as weakness, cowardice and want of intelligence; they say that the heart has to be hardened against pity and charity, but that way lies war, destruction and downfall. Love alone confers lasting happiness and peace. Sharing can alone reduce grief and multiply joy. People are born to share, to serve, to give and not to grab”. (Borrowed thought). With love & regards.ls.

[dipayankar]

I very much agree with you on this front. Religion did not serve its purpose. It has to be replaced with something that is more reasonable...

Very true Austin, not only religions but all kinds of ‘ism lead to disharmony in the society! So far over 15000 wars have been fought in the recorded history of mankind and over 5000 were in the name of religions. (Or religious expansionism?). Banning religion is no remedy, as this was practiced in communist countries---again by another ‘ism (communism)---and the results are before us! They killed their own countrymen in billions. The only panacea is, your way that is of love. It is worth trying, as all other ‘ism have failed, because when a ‘thought’/philosophy’s vision is narrowed downed and downgraded into an ‘ism, its very purpose is defeated and divisive elements sprouts.
“Goodness, compassion, tolerance – through these virtues one can perceive the Divinity in oneself and in others. Softness of heart is often condemned as weakness, cowardice and want of intelligence; they say that the heart has to be hardened against pity and charity, but that way lies war, destruction and downfall. Love alone confers lasting happiness and peace. Sharing can alone reduce grief and multiply joy. People are born to share, to serve, to give and not to grab”. (Borrowed thought). With love & regards.ls.

[Profpat]

Hi Is;

I really agree with 99.9% of your post. It's my belief that God is Love and only Love is real.

Now for the .01% that I don't agree with.
I believe the oldest form of writing is cunieform ~ 3500BC in Mesopatania ( the cradle of civilization )and that began our RECORDED history. The other is I think maybe millions, maybe even hundred of millions were killed. Billions may be exagerated a bit.

Best to you,

Pat

[chazzysaw]

If Jesus came back to Earth today, do you think history would repeat itself?
Would mankind crucify him again, or more humanely use water boarding on him?
How far has humanity advanced in 2000 years?
Scientifically, religiously, morally, and humanely, I think most importantly we need to measure and know that.

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MJA

Yes, Christ would be crucified..... again. He would contradict and criticize everything taught by most religious leaders today (and we all know religion rule the world) and they like the Pharisees would have him executed. The same way his message was not understood in his time, it's more obscured today. We are still in the dark ages. Technology has advanced but our superstitious beliefs are the same.

[MJA]

The question of God?

I see God as the unification of all things, all things including and equally myself.
The finite that is in my grasp, as well as the infinite that is not.
I find ultimate humility in what I hold,
But know that it is simply true.
The truth that all is one.
And if God shows me a miracle today,
I will know I am on the right path,
and very close to the heart or love of one.
God is not a question,
Only another name for the unity or TOE. of all.
And that is what brings me here!


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MJA

[everymansmedium]

Hello RP:
This is a reply to the very first post in this thread. With all due respect to your wishes to back the scientific method. This is a question that must bridge the gap between the concept of being and the discipline of science. That gap may be a gap in time or a gap in space or a gap in space-time. However the system of measurements can not bridge this gap. The only thing that will ever bridge this gap is logical reasoning. I am sure that most here are familiar with the thought that all we experience could be a dream. This puts the idea of a measurement into the same category as everything else, with only one exception. That one exception is the one thing that we are all most sure of. The awareness of self, as an indicator of personal existence. This is true even if it is a dream. The dream would only indicate that you did not know of the position or state of the consciousness, not the existence of same. When you look at our existence in this way the only thing that we are truly sure of, is something we can not measure.

I made a proposal to devise a way that we might bridge this gap. Using the scientific method whenever possible and allowing the logical reasoning that explains the use and value of the measurements, to be of a more complex nature whenever the ability to take a measurement is available. Then when there is no place that a measurement can be made, to keep the logical reasoning to be as simple and basic as possible. In this way it might be possible to bridge this gap between the being and the physical environment that it appears to reside within.
See “Being and Life” within a thought experiment category. This is an invitation.
John

[chazzysaw]

The question of God?

I see God as the unification of all things, all things including and equally myself.
The finite that is in my grasp, as well as the infinite that is not.
I find ultimate humility in what I hold,
But know that it is simply true.
The truth that all is one.
And if God shows me a miracle today,
I will know I am on the right path,
and very close to the heart or love of one.
God is not a question,
Only another name for the unity or TOE. of all.
And that is what brings me here!


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MJA

God is the unification of everything because The Power is everything and that power is equally distributed in everything. A miracle is not necessary, our existence alone is miracle enough for me. Your views alone says to me that you're on the right path.

[MJA]

God is the unification of everything because The Power is everything and that power is equally distributed in everything. A miracle is not necessary, our existence alone is miracle enough for me. Your views alone says to me that you're on the right path.

Well then, if we see the same truth we must be on the same road.
Cool!

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MJA

[RascalPuff]

Hello RP:
This is a reply to the very first post in this thread. With all due respect to your wishes to back the scientific method. This is a question that must bridge the gap between the concept of being and the discipline of science. That gap may be a gap in time or a gap in space or a gap in space-time. However the system of measurements can not bridge this gap. The only thing that will ever bridge this gap is logical reasoning. I am sure that most here are familiar with the thought that all we experience could be a dream. This puts the idea of a measurement into the same category as everything else, with only one exception. That one exception is the one thing that we are all most sure of. The awareness of self, as an indicator of personal existence. This is true even if it is a dream. The dream would only indicate that you did not know of the position or state of the consciousness, not the existence of same. When you look at our existence in this way the only thing that we are truly sure of, is something we can not measure.

I made a proposal to devise a way that we might bridge this gap. Using the scientific method whenever possible and allowing the logical reasoning that explains the use and value of the measurements, to be of a more complex nature whenever the ability to take a measurement is available. Then when there is no place that a measurement can be made, to keep the logical reasoning to be as simple and basic as possible. In this way it might be possible to bridge this gap between the being and the physical environment that it appears to reside within.
See “Being and Life” within a thought experiment category. This is an invitation.
John

Thank you very much, everyman.
I'll take your advice.

Best regards,
- RP

[austintorn@aol.com]

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