Science 'versus' God?

[austintorn@aol.com]

The 'ethical center' is still a natural part of the mind; saying it's not—without proof—goes nowhere.

We don't know the cause of Darwin's anxiety nor Jung's abnormal early life problems.

[melanie]

Darwin was a puppet on the end of puppet strings.

"...the knowledge of pattern is the beginning of every practical wisdom." -Sean Kane

EVOLUTION & MORPHOGENESIS

Darwin’s theory of evolution is incomplete; evolution by random mutation is a slow and precarious process.

The leafy Sea dragon evolved into a seaweed shape for protective camouflage,
to look a bit like seaweed might increase conspicuousness and be dangerous.




SOURCE: http://www.world-mysteries.com/newgw/sci_blueprint1.htm

[Mikal]

The 'ethical center' is still a natural part of the mind; saying it's not—without proof—goes nowhere.

We don't know the cause of Darwin's anxiety nor Jung's abnormal early life problems.

Science can measure only what is measurable, and the most important things in life, such as man's conscious struggle for ordinary morality and the rise to the "ethical center" are not measurable. Science can never tell us what is right and wrong which is why so many educated people have been involved in history's greatest evils.

Darwin played an active part in moving us into the confines of a Therapuetic Society governed by a Therapuetic State.

Some important blows had to come about, like causing distress to the existing world view, persuading generations of people that a conscious struggle to morality was incidental to the fact that their lives were controlled by evolutionary forces adapted to the need for survival whereas previously man had been thought of as dominated by his human nature and a moral sense, he was now to be considered merely an animal although abit more specialized than other creatures. Then Freud deliverd the psychological blow to ensure the displacement of character....he had the effrontery to explain the workings of our inner being according to a system he created that removed control over ourselves. He made a mockery of conscious moral deliberation.

Hence, our enormous loss of confidence in our ability to solve our own problems of living and our deliverance into the confines of our THERAPUETIC SOCIETY AND STATE...


Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

"ethical center" not measurable.

Proof is not because someone said something about the ‘ethical center’ being beyond the natural; proof is more like that when the frontal lobes were removed by lobotomies, not only was this removed material material, and not immaterial, but the patients then lost the ability to plan and foresee the results of their actions, along with a loss of emotion, all of which needs to come into play for ethical decision analysis.

So-called ‘authority’ alone goes nowhere since then scientific observation is not used (which turned out to be simple).

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

[Mikal]

Austin...I see nothing in my post even relevant to the idea of a frontal lobotomy??

That claim is certainly not addressing the nature of my post! My claims are legitimate, we cannot know what the problem is until we know what caused the problem and only then can we find true solutions to the state we have been pushed and manipulated into....


Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

My claims are legitimate

Then where is this 'ethical center' and what is the proof of it being not a natural part of the brain and its processes?

[Mikal]

Austin....have you never has a moral and ethical battle with something in your life, a situation, an event, a circumstance or even with someone you know?? Its in that struggle and the internal suffering it entails that an ethical center is formed. Its not in your brain, its deep inside you, deep in your feelings and its through the struggle you attain the virtues that define your character.
I know you will say science cannot measure that and that is my point, the most important things in life cannot be measured...the fact that your conscious of suffering through this is all the proof one needs...


Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

Its not in your brain, its deep inside you

So, you or someone have, by not measuring, located the 'ethical center' somewhere in the body but not in the brain. How was this done?

[austintorn@aol.com]

Darwin was a puppet on the end of puppet strings, yanked and pulled by those with the power and know-how to manipulate the social environment and forces of the masses....

This one was too good to pass up.

So, some nefarious planners set out to demean humanity by knowing Darwin’s results ahead of time and sent him on a five year trip around the world on the Beagle ship, during which he actually found adaptation of the finches and all as input to his theory?

Then, luckily, the rock strata were dated and all the fossils were in the right strata for their place on the evolutionary ladder, we also noting that some species went extinct, not appearing in any more strata, that some new species appeared above, along with some transitional forms in between, all this proving Darwin’s theory, not to mention science seeing evolution in action via 40,000 generations of bacteria in the lab, plus discovering the genetics behind all this.

Then the nefarious planners widely publish, then and now and at times so that the actual truth can be learned. What a shady scheme!

[austintorn@aol.com]

Science and the Old/New Intellectual Culture

The essence of science is conveyed by its Latin etymology: sceintia, meaning knowledge. Science itself is then the body of knowledge obtained by using suitable practices for its particular fields.

Science has spread into many areas, everywhere, even psychology and the social sciences, and has become essential, for science is the most accurate way of obtaining knowledge about anything and everything. Scholars who spurn science end up with inaccurate results. Marx, Freud, etc., and religious scholars say blah, blah, blah—but it’s all in the air, empirically ungrounded.

The traditional intellectual is being replaced, for science-oriented investigation now renders visible the deeper meanings of our lives, redefining who and what we are. The arts and science are now combining into an enlightened ‘third culture’ of a new intellectual landscape—a Reality Club of the new humanists. There are revolutionary developments everywhere. The wonderful holistic approaches, such as those of the long-gone giants of Leonardo and Michelangelo, encompass all areas. The previous incomprehensible humanism with an ignorance of science is fading fast away. It was not holistic.

The previous culture that dismissed science is soon to become a fossil of the past. These self-referential disciplines go nowhere, being most often concerned with the exegesis of earlier thinkers, in which one reflects on and recycles the ideas of others, with no real expectation of any systematic progress. They just get further and further away from reality.

Science poses questions to elicit answers. And the more science you do, the more there is to do. Reality is the check and balance. There are no fixed, unalterable positions. Life plays an ever greater role in the future of the universe. Science is involved in all the humanities now. Subject matter is discussed, not intellectual style. Scientists talk about the universe, unlike many old style humanities academicians—who only talk about each other. Those disdaining science are doomed to be left behind.

Certainly, human nature is fixed, but its behavior isn’t, for it is sensitive to the environment, being endlessly variable and diverse. Change the environment for the good and behavior will then improve. Their is no need to fiddle with genes. The fixed rules of human nature can give rise to an inhaustible range of outcomes. To know what changes to the environment would be appropriate and effective, you have to know the Darwinian rules. We only need to understand human nature, not to change it.

So, something radically new is in the air: new ways of understanding physical systems, new focuses that lead to our questioning of many of our foundations. A realistic biology of the mind, advances in physics, information technology, genetices, neurobiology, engineering, the chemistry of materails; all are questions of great importance with respect to what it means to be human.

(By some coincidence, after I wrote this, the latest ‘Scientific American’ has just restated this theme and has therefore listed 10 great and recent contributors to humanity.)



P.S. Belief in ancient myths joins with other negative forces in our society to keep most of the world from advancing scientifically, economically, and socially at a time when a rapid advancement in these areas and others is absolutely essential for the survival of humanity. We are now probably only about a generation or two away from the catastrophic problems that are anticipated from global warming, pollution, and overpopulation: flooded coastal areas, severe climatic changes, epidemics caused by overcrowding, and starvation for much of humanity. Such disasters are predicted to generate worldwide conflict on a scale that could exceed that of the great twentieth century wars, with nuclear weapons in the hands of unstable nations and terrorist groups.