Science 'versus' God?

[Drifter]

How long do you want to stay in the old dysfunctional way of thinking..
I've seconded your post drifter, because this truth is liberating,
flushing away the idea of a separate self, where there was none, it's a beautiful truth,
knowing there is no birth or death, only the apparent appearances through the many of the eternal One,

There is only Love, .. everything else is a lie ..

love melanie..

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Thank you Melanie,

A beautiful and thought provoking read:
http://www.punditravi.com/aitareya_upanishad.htm#1

But first;

SELF-CREATION

After having subdued by sleep all that belongs to the body, he, not
asleep himself, looks down upon the sleeping. Having assumed light, he
goes again to his own place, the gold-gleaming genius, the solitary
bird.
Guarding with the prana the lower nest, the immortal moves away
from the nest; that immortal one goes wherever he likes, the
gold-gleaming genius, the solitary bird.
Going up and down in his dream, the god makes manifold shapes for
himself, either rejoicing together with women, or laughing with
comrades, or seeing terrible sights.
People may see his playground, but himself no one ever sees.
Therefore they say, "Let no one wake a man suddenly, for it is not
easy to remedy, if he does not get back."
Now as a man is like this or like that, according as he acts and
according as he behaves, so will he be: - a man of good acts will
become good, a man of bad acts, bad. He becomes pure by pure deeds,
corrupt by bad deeds.
And here they say that a person consists of desires. And as is his
desire, so is his will: and as is his will, so is his deed; and
whatsoever deed he does, that he will reap.
If a man understands the Self, saying "I am He", what could he
wish or desire that he should pine after the body?
Whosoever has found and understood the Self that has entered this
patched-up hiding place, he indeed is the creator, for he is the maker
of everything, his is the world, and he is the world itself.

Brihadaranyaka Upanishad

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THE UNRUFFLED MIND

It is upon the serene and placid surface of the unruffled mind that
the visions gathered from the invisible find a representation in the
visible world. Otherwise you would vainly seek those visions, those
flashes of sudden light which have already helped to solve so many of
the minor problems and which alone can bring the truth before the eye
of the soul. It is with jealous care that we have to guard our
mind-plane from all the adverse influences which daily arise in our
passage through earth-life.

MAHATMA K. H.

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SERENITY

THAT blessed mood,
In which the burthen of the mystery,
In which the heavy and the weary weight
Of all this unintelligible world,
Is lightened: - that serene and blessed mood
In which the affections gently lead us on, -
Until, the breath of this corporeal frame
And even the motion of our human blood
Almost suspended, we are laid asleep
In body, and become a living soul;
While with an eye made quiet by the power
Of harmony, and the deep power of joy,
We see into the life of things.

WILLIAM WORDSWORTH

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THE UNCARVED BLOCK

Know the strength of man,
But keep a woman's care!
Be the stream of the universe!
Being the stream of the universe,
Ever true and unswerving,
Become as a little child once more.

Know honour,
Yet keep humility.
Be the valley of the universe!
Being the valley of the universe,
Ever true and resourceful,
Return to the state of the uncarved block.

Tao Te Ching

Peace, Love, and Equanimity

D.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

There is only Love, .. everything else is a lie ..

love melanie...

There are two major types of love, Melanie___One dangerous, and the other safe. The dangerous one is spectral love, and the safe one is scientific love... And I'm not talking about science, I'm talking about the science of love... I'll explain, if you're interested...

Regards,
Lloyd

[Profpat]

THERE IS ONLY ONE TYPE OF LOVE.

LOVE!

NO EXPLANATION NECESSARY.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

BTW, I wasn't talking to you Pat, but anyway, tell an intelligent woman that, and she'll quickly make a fool out of you...

Lloyd

[Profpat]

I wasn't talking to you Lloyd, rather everyone else.
BTW No problem with my love life.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I wasn't talking to you Lloyd, rather everyone else.
BTW No problem with my love life.

I didn't say problem Pat, I said "properly working". I think that would be perfection, and no-one has ever achieved this state...

Lloyd

[folla rule]

interesting twist of ideas along this thread... excellent read

In my opinion, you are spot on in your original posting Rascal puff... the argument that a benevolent God would only condone or inflict suffering upon those guilty of an insult relies purely on the premise that humans are 'special'... or a personal priority project of God simply on the basis of how sentinel humans feel they are or appear to be... how arrogant some humans have become and how distant some view themselves as intrinsically intertwined with nature. Their own human nature.

The form and notion of God has been hijacked by religious orders as some have already said throughout this thread. In an excellently executed strategic coup. A wolf in sheep's clothing touting justification and explanation for the ceasing of the high moral ground from which they preach 'oughta's' to anyone who would listen. Perhaps this might explain the great lengths some scientists has gone to in order to distance themselves from religion.

But as i've said in my earlier postings, it always strikes me as curious that believers in science who claim to be atheist place stock in empirical study, despite the logic that any certainty and knowledge is reliant upon human senses and interpretation whilst it is known that these senses are fallible.

When a scientist observes the world, they are entering a state of influencing that which has been observed, psychological studies are evidencing (using scientific standards) the masquerade of deception that individuals subconsciously enter into without being aware of any bias. I believe objectivity is a misnomer that we as subjective beings are unable to perceive. The irrationality placed in knowledge being objectively being held as 'science fact' reeks of 'faith' and therefore renders it no better than the 'belief in God'...

Perhaps the difficulty comes from the flaws and limits of the vessels who are attempting to perceive what is beyond their best guess. And perhaps the gap between science and God does not even exist.


Oh and lloyd Gillespie... i do not believe there are two kinds of 'love'.... i'd enjoy your explanation should you care to share.

[austintorn@aol.com]

(Omar Khayyam)

[Profpat]

Kahlil Gibran on Love
When love beckons to you, follow him,
Though his ways are hard and steep.
And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
And when he speaks to you believe in him,
Though his voice may shatter your dreams as the north wind lays waste the garden.

For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.
Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,
So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.

Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.
He threshes you to make you naked.
He sifts you to free you from your husks.
He grinds you to whiteness.
He kneads you until you are pliant;
And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast.

All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart, and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart.

But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,
Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor,
Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears.
Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.
Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;
For love is sufficient unto love.

When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, "I am in the heart of God."
And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.

Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself.
But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:
To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night.
To know the pain of too much tenderness.
To be wounded by your own understanding of love;
And to bleed willingly and joyfully.
To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving;
To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;
To return home at eventide with gratitude;
And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.

[Drifter]

All souls in the begining were one with the Father[Creative Force].
The seperation or turning away brought Evil.

God [Creative Force] manifested the material plane.
For it is still in Him that we live and move and have our being.

Thus Life, as a material manifestation, is the expression of that Universal Force or Energy we call God.

Life as a whole, is a continuous thing emanating from Power, Energy, God-consciousness, ever.

[Life is God] in power, in might, In The Awareness of the strength needed to meet every problem day by day.

All things were made by Him. And as all things were made by Him, that which is The Creative Influence, in every herb, every mineral, every vegetable, every individual activity, Is That Same Force you call God---and [He] seeks expression!

This is LOVE!!! Manifestation is the offspring of that Love!!!

When Awareness, Knows Sensation, Consciousness is born!!!

So it is in the gross, the subtle, and the causal realms!!!

Love is the Whim[Breath] Man, Son of God.

This is the unalloyed, unadulterated teaching of the Gnostics, The Perrenial Wisdom, before the Roman Catholic "Priests" turned the whole affair around for their own ends and rewrote the Truth with a pack of lies that gave them precedence where they had/deserved none. "God" never wrote a book! They rewrote "his-story" for their own ends. There has been nothing but strife and bloodshed ever since, as each faction seek's domination above/over the other. Of course everyone goe's to the "church" and gives money in hopes that mankinds "prayers' will be answered by doing so, thereby perpetuating the myth, and making the "church" one of the most lucrative schemes in the world.

And all supposedly based on "Gods Word".

Who was it that said; "Religion is the drug of the masses?"

Only the Truth will set you free!

Open your eyes, and wake up everybody, brothers and sisters, WAKE UP.

Merry Christmas

Namaste`