[N0B0DY]

I'm fairly sure the idea is one of an eternally existing perfection, where imperfect replication is the temporal by-product of its eternal existence. Sort of like recycling waste to maintain functioning, or filling up a gas tank. This existence can be ordered and somewhat complex, but used for an entirely different purpose than what we use it for.

In other words, on the one hand we already have the most-complex, perfect existence; on the other, the inverse applies because we are starting from scratch.

"And never ever in the evolution of the Universe did any circumstance need the existance of God. Hence probably God can never be proven logically...."

The above doesn't really make sense if god is interpreted to be the universe, though. That would be like saying, never ever in the evolution of the Universe did any circumstance need the existance of the Universe.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

It has been proven that even bacteria are extremely complex and remarkably intelligent.

This is very interesting Nobody. A single bacterium has no intelligence at all, and yet, bacteria in force show remarkable adaptable survival behaviour.

I see this meta-intelligence as a behaviour honed and skilled through purely random processes and mutations until it was right.

How do you see this intelligence?

cool bananas ... greg

[dleviwing]

IC;
When man created god, it was to explain what he did not know and did not want to admit he did not know. The more you really know, the less you will need to rely on a god to explain it.

Your statements only tell me you have never studied any branch of science. Every scientist I know has studied the philosophies of human cultures. (aka religion) Don’t you think you should learn about what you have such "Great Stupid" opinions about?

[N0B0DY]

"I see this meta-intelligence as a behaviour honed and skilled through purely random processes and mutations until it was right."

I was referring to the following, Greg. It's possible that it is random, but doesn't seem to be any more random than human-type functioning.

"Looking closely for the first time at intact bacterial microcities, scientists are amazed to see them packed as tightly as our own urban centers, but with a decidedly futuristic look. Towers of spheres and cone- or mushroom-shaped skyscrapers soar 100 to 200 micrometers upward from a base of dense sticky sugars, other big molecules and water, all collectively produced by the bacterial inhabitants. In these cities, different strains of bacteria with different enzymes help each other exploit food supplies that no one strain can break down alone, and all of them together build the city's infrastructure. The cities are laced with intricate channels connecting the buildings to circulate water, nutrients, enzymes, oxygen and recyclable wastes. Their diverse inhabitants live in different microneighborhoods and glide, motor or swim along roadways and canals. The more food is available, the denser the populations become. Researcher Bill Keevil in England, making videos of these cityscapes, says of one, 'It looks like Manhattan when you fly over it.'

In addition to rearranging Earth's crust, creating an atmosphere, devising urban lifestyles and creating the first worldwide web, bacteria invented other amazing technologies. Some produced polyester, though biodegradable; others harnessed solar energy as photosynthesis, permitting the making of food when it became scarce; still others invented the electric motor for locomotion -- -a disk with flagellum attached, rotating in a magnetic field, complete with ball bearings, not to mention the atomic pile, probably to raise local temperatures. Seeing these startling parallels to human lifestyles and inventions makes us see evolution fractally. In fact, when I fly over human cities, making them appear small, I see them as cells spread over a substrate, or as bacterial colonies."

http://www.ratical.org/LifeWeb/Articles/capetown.html

[N0B0DY]

Dave,

Would you estimate that it is possible for the observable universe to function as a body, complete with nervous system and brain, considering the number of particle interactions occuring at that range?

If so, what would prevent that from being a possibility?

[dleviwing]

Nobody;
I think IC would say you are being a materialist. Being a physical mechanism to convey information makes it a possibility but I do not see any physical control to the mechanism; thus the random factor.

[Graybeard]

But the random factor is a strange device. The most suited always rises to the top.

greg

[N0B0DY]

One of the funniest occurences while debating with one Sinbad from another forum. He referred me to a program that he had run, which I can't locate on the site for some reason, which ordered mixed letters from a random process where in 9 seconds, if I remember correctly, the letters formed a relatively long sentence.

The funny thing was it sort of supported not only a feasible creation in 6 days, as in the bible, but quite possibly a creation account of 6 minutes or hours. lol

This link leads to a similar depiction by the same gentleman: http://groups.msn.com/AtheistVSGod/abiogenesis.msnw

[dipayankar]

In fact Religion could also have been invented by ancient civilizations in discreet pockets of the world. One reason would be, Human beings are sociable creatures, those civilisations did not have any connections neither did they know the existance of other civilisations across the world. Hence to assuage themselves that they are not alone in this Universe, they created the entity 'God' who is supposed to create them and look after them

Originally Posted by dleviwing

IC;
When man created god, it was to explain what he did not know and did not want to admit he did not know. The more you really know, the less you will need to rely on a god to explain it.

Your statements only tell me you have never studied any branch of science. Every scientist I know has studied the philosophies of human cultures. (aka religion) Don’t you think you should learn about what you have such "Great Stupid" opinions about?

[Graybeard]

I think religion was invented by primitive tribesmen. I believe the Chief and Witchdoctor formed a primitive government with religion as the binding and power over the tribe.

I think the witchdoctor was the Scientist of his day

greg