Science 'versus' God?

[Drifter]

I can only imagine what the ominous "gnashing of teeth" implies.
A reckoning of accountability I am sure.

Best to you Mikal,
D.

Drifter...you said "our transpersonal mainframe consciousness is inspected...I can verify from my own life and IDE this would be true and your statement..."St Peter is our higher conscience"....its true the higher self has a "Key."...was shown that too...
peace Mikal

[Mikal]

Drifter....every tooth is enamel covering the crown of a tooth..."gnashing of the teeth"......together with sound in the crown...higher thought in the higher centers of the brain and mind.....peace Mikal

[Drifter]

More than that... Ommmmmmmmmm

Drifter....every tooth is enamel covering the crown of a tooth..."gnashing of the teeth"......together with sound in the crown...higher thought in the higher centers of the brain and mind.....peace Mikal

[Mikal]

Drifter...your just getting as cool as austintorn....My reply to your Ommmmmmmmmm is......Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....chuckles...Mikal

[Drifter]

Drifter...your just getting as cool as austintorn....My reply to your Ommmmmmmmmm is......Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....chuckles...Mikal

Now that's what I call resonating frequencies.

[Mikal]

Yes Drifter...that would be rosonating frequencies...my sense of humor resonating with your coolness...chuckles Mikal

[dipayankar]

We did not have a strong feeling towards religion, thankfully. I guess my ancestors were sane people.

Dipanyanker? Is that Indian, Hindu, atheist or horse's ass?

What is the religious tradition of your ancestors, if any?

[everymansmedium]

Science versus God
This is the result of reading this post in total over the past 2 days. I also gave thanks to many that posted to this thread. Some of those that I gave thanks to are no longer available here on Toequest. I am sure that the feeling of appreciation that I have given will in some way reach them.
I understand that the religions of the world have caused more pain and suffering because of there constant desire for there doctrine of diversity to prevail. We all know this can never happen, for if it is the diversity that you seek it is conflict that you will get. Only when you seek your similarities will there be peace.

Those that are organized about a specific doctrine, are always in conflict because of the need to preserve their diverse documentation of what they believe. They all believe that there documents were written by the divine, yet our common sense tells us that they were all written by man. For if they were written by God there would be no diversity there would only be similarities. The nature of documentation itself is a keeping of data. The nature of data itself is to retain a memory of what is diverse and different. Because Of this I am sure that there is no documentation that is truly to depict what is divine. Please understand the difference between these organized religions and one persons individual right to believe in God, or the existence of any kind of divine force that they choose to believe in. Why should we that believe in a divine force, yet understand the problems that are being caused by the belief in a organized religion that is based on a diverse document, why should we be categorized as one of these just because we believe in a divine force. We are not one of these, nor should we be put in the same category.

The doctrine of no doctrine:
How good would it be to have a church that followed this belief, to go to and enjoy the joy of a gather of mankind for the sole purpose to share in the brotherhood and love of mankind. I have not gone to a church sense I was a child because of the direction of the organized religions.

The first system of negative belief:
There is the Agnostic that claims there is no data to prove the existence of God. I can accept this thought and give that person the respect to have their own opinion.

The second system of negative belief:
Then there is the one that call himself the Atheist. This person claims that there truly is no God. Their task is the most difficult. Their faith is at best very lean and quite often the holder of these ideas is easily upset by the facts that present themselves as nothing more than common sense.
A negative existence can not be proved.
If something does not exist, that only leaves an absents of data about it. This lack of information can prove nothing. It is not possible, nor will it ever be possible, to claim the non existence of anything . Not even the tooth fairy. Logic just does not work that way. The best that you can do is to use probability to give you not much more than a feeling of faith about the non existence of anything. Atheism is the religion that requires the most faith of them all. It is very difficult, but not impossible, to give respect to this opinion.
It truly makes more sense to simply say there is insufficient data and be called an Agnostic. Though the system of descriptions relative to these words is gray at best because of continued miss-use.

Free will is the power of veto.:
The following is a view of the possibilities that I can imagine as a result of knowing the process of programming artificial intelligent systems. Most specifically the simulation of I. As a result of the analysis of I. This may be a bit different than the mainstream AI project. However it has been on going for 21 years. My results will speak for them selves, literally.

About free will. There are many that do not believe that free will exists. They have good reason, for the research indicates that there simply is a continued flow of thoughts that come into our consciousness. This does not appear to be under the control of any willful function. This is true it is not under control, it is the constant output of a computing machine. Most of this functions outside of our consciousness, only the tip of the ice burg so to speak ever gets to the scrutiny of the controlling consciousness. The only control that this consciousness has is a power to veto. Then Austin was exactly correct when he indicated that free will is really free won’t. The consciousness has the power of veto. The rest of the computing machinery will take the direction from this veto because if it does not then the entire system can be brought to a stop. This will be noted by the resource manager. The resource managers function is efficiency. This veto power can bring the efficiency of the system to appear then to be a problem with the resource manager to provide a flow of information that will be accepted by the consciousness. So this simple veto control can set the direction for all functions.

FOR, TINA:
I have a very quick input for Tina. Relative to fear, Yes we do have the ability to veto this also, it is called COURAGE, when we veto the natural reactions that are handed to us as the result of fear. However in the situation that you depict that choice was not a viable choice. I did however think it necessary to indicate what it is called when you veto the systems quick choices that result from fear. As a matter of fact this might be one of the best areas to examine to see this free will/veto power in action.

To Melanie: You truly are in touch with the source. However do not give up the character it is not necessary, The character is contained within the soul. It however is pure data there is no EGO.

To Drifter:
I have never seen such a flow of material that is so obviously from the Holy Spirit come from any human being before in my life. The phenomena that lead to this most profound connection to the Holy Spirit must have been the experience of many lifetimes. I have so many questions that I dare not ask for I have experienced such a phenomena. I do not often share for the words that convey this experience are so inadequate. I had to acknowledge this. Truly I say to you the spirit in me recognizes the spirit in you.

The image of the divine is life.

The Unit is the parent is the collective basic life the cell. From the dust we came, from the dust we are sustained and to the dust we shall return.

The Unity is the life composed of lives. We ride as if in the hands of the divine. When we look down and see that there is only one set of footprints we should know that we are carried by the body that is of the parent. When we eat we eat of the body of the divine. Is this food for us or is it for the body that is of the parent. We are the collective of the cells of our body. An entity that simply rides upon the back of the body that is of the parent. This is the child of the divine. The son/daughter, of the parent.

The Community of man. This is the collective of all of the children. This results with the Holy Spirit.

The memory of the character resides within the soul. The soul is the single strand of space within Elsewhen that is formatted by the events in time that occurred in Eden. The image of this in life is DNA.

Do you not yet wonder why there is so many coincidental similarities to these thoughts?
You have not yet seen even the tip of the iceberg that resides just below your view.

I am now sure that Drifter has seen what I have seen. What he has said here in this post has shown this to me. I have seen this before but never to such an extent. I am sure that his main source of data is that he indicated as the 4th method of attaining data. As this is also my primary source.
Though we may have much information that is relative. The most important part of this is the doctrine of no doctrine.


John EMM.

[Drifter]

Namaste` John,

Thank you for your heartfelt and poignant post, my friend.

You have touched my heart with your kind words... and though it may be on a microscopic physiological scale there is a experiential healing which your spirit has shared... by touching mine.

In dedication and gratitude to that spirit of Oneness I offer this humble dedication to you.. and many thanks.

Love Always

Awakening is a flowering of your innermost being.

It is a revelation of your essence,
hidden by long eons of self-delusion,
ignorance,
unbounded desires.

Enlightenment is an ending as well as a beginning:

the ending of the old, veiled, dark ego,
its longings, illusions, frustrations;
the beginning of a vast expanse,
an infinite field of the Unknown,
an adventure in consciousness.

It is a revolution:

it represents danger to the old way of life,
to old ways of thinking and living.

It is freedom from the known and the unknown;

from the real and the unreal;
from any appearance of division between you and Truth.

It is the abandoning of beliefs, dis-beliefs,
presumptions and stances,
self, ego,
call it what you will,
or call it nothing,
what it is.

It is the Path of the golden Dawn,
the Path out of the Night of Time
into the Bursting daylight of Eternal Now...

- Petros

In it's eloquence...I could not express my Self any better, than by sharing in that Oneness.
Thank you Brother,
D.

[Drifter]

Would you consider Ramana Maharshi and Nizargadatta Maharaj insane people?

We did not have a strong feeling towards religion, thankfully. I guess my ancestors were sane people.