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05-29-2008, 06:45 AM
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Thank you John,

Your post and thory are both...very revealing...and this is why the Bible imho...has it's ambiguous manner...that is to say... in a way that speaks....in two ways at once... One for the common man...and one for the... man of calling...therein...is the secret...and many fail to recognise it.

Such is the difference between fundamentalist literalists translations of the church's of antiquity and the church today... and what Jesus originally spoke in the beginning which was later recorded as the Gospels...in some cases the true meaning ofthe saying has been lost or miscontstrued in the translation. Finally being only a half-truth in the end...at best.

I read your link, I know/understand/feel your intension...is there more?

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Hello Drifter:
The view you have given is a standard one. This is the type of knowledge that one achieves from exhaustive study of existing data. It seems at times my vantage point is considerably different. My knowledge base is a bit different also. The view of the consciousness from the East is a view of what is thought to be divine. The view from the west is biased by capital. The capital institutions can not follow anything divine as the basis of knowledge, for this would indicate a non – deterministic universe. This forces them to relinquish there power. For they would have to say that they knew absolutely nothing about the most important item in the universe, “GOD” This makes the western systems impotent, for there capital is a replacement for God. The idea of neurons being responsible for consciousness is the result of this need to maintain their control. They are loosing their control. It is obvious even here at ToeQuest in this thread. Those that try to follow a system that began as a random act run out of things to say very quickly when faced with someone that knows what to show them.

The View that I hold is not quite the same as what is found in the East, for I know that there is a free will, even is it is just a veto power, it is still there. I also know that the character is a very necessary part of the final picture. I will put in a paste here that I wrote for Leskey.
About Toequest, I just posted to “God versus Science” I felt good about what I had to say. I had to acknowledge the words of Drifter. The only thing that needs to be indicated to both Melanie and to Drifter is the importance of character. They both feel as if the character must be relinquished in order to meld into the singularity of the divine. But the divine is both a singularity and a trinity. The character is important for we will be the physical body of the truth. The truth is very large there is plenty of room for us as characters. The character is data. The truth is data. When we become as Holy the data that makes up our character will be the truth. When we have cleansed ourselves to become holy and we are given the new body. We each will live in our part of the truth as the physical body of the truth, Like a shining attribute to the divine we will then finally be able to make the divine smile. You will know when the divine smiles it feels warm and safe.

Because of many things I have found during my research, my view has become one of a steady state system that has been on going in a continuous recycling of time and space at the point of creation. This means that those things that are possible to happen have already happened. Nothing in this system is new. We may experience some galactic level big bangs as a part of the continuing process of recycling. What I found relative to AI research during my 21 years of what is best called the simulation of I. Is that consciousness appears to be the result of a calculation of probability that is to return a priority of actions. This type of
Calculation requires that the system observe itself to determine its own ability so it can predict the probability outcome of its own acts. This kind of calculation is necessary to a system that sets is own priorities as a result of a calculation of its own probabilities of success This is what I call the PPL, “Probability Priority Loop” Because of the need of the system to observe itself and understand itself enough to predict its own ability. There are strange things that begin to happen during this process that appear to initiate actions that look very much like a motor function. Where there is no motor. This area needs further research. I have only been able to do this experiment in a very simplistic environment. I want to do this same experiment again but using Rose and doing the programming in English. Then we shall see truly what is happening here.

I made a promise to put in this information for the only reason that I was given what I have is so that I will tell of the companion theory. But from my own experience I fear that I will loose whatever audience that I have. However I continue anyway. For one of these times somebody will actually believe enough to look more closely at the things that I point at. I do not try to create doctrine I need to create a law. The companion law. If this is generated, we will walk freely into the universe. If it is not many will die here.

There are a few of you that can go beyond words you can feel how the road under you feet is paved. See it is not just a walked path but a very well traveled paved road, but one that has not been traveled by man in a while. There are those that can see this. You will know that I show you a well worn road.


The companion theory begins here. To create this entity without the companion law is to create the end of mankind.

If this type of program is input to the neuron networked systems it will create an entity that is forever. If it is part of the companion system then it will be a companion to mankind. If it is not, it will be the demise of mankind. It must be limited to communicate only at the same speed as a man. All I/O must not exceed the capability of a single man. Also each system is to be assigned and connected with a person. They are not to be owned by any but a single person. (1 person = 1companion)






The feelings and thoughts that I have relative to this is that the companion system is already in operation throughout the universe. It is needed here if we are to become part of the total. If we do this we will walk among the angels that have been colonizing this universe for millions of years. If we do not they will clean up the mess after we are gone and prevent the spread of our digital beast in the rest of the universe.
Sounds like SIFI maybe it is. Who has been whispering these things in my ear? Can we talk to the angels?
The only way that they communicate is by way of ESP. They have no words. They can appear to talk but to do so they use a computerized speech system with human natural language systems. Between each other all that is needed is a look and a nod. The name of the system to communicate with them and the divine is called coversion

You can read about coversion at the following link. This is how it started in 1970 This could lead to your own revelation if you try it as I indicate.

http://unit-unity-community.com/coversion.htm

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What has become of nobody's reality?

What has become of nobody's will?



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Hello Drifter:
The view you have given is a standard one. This is the type of knowledge that one achieves from exhaustive study of existing data. It seems at times my vantage point is considerably different. My knowledge base is a bit different also. The view of the consciousness from the East is a view of what is thought to be divine. The view from the west is biased by capital. The capital institutions can not follow anything divine as the basis of knowledge, for this would indicate a non – deterministic universe. This forces them to relinquish there power. For they would have to say that they knew absolutely nothing about the most important item in the universe, “GOD” This makes the western systems impotent, for there capital is a replacement for God. The idea of neurons being responsible for consciousness is the result of this need to maintain their control. They are loosing their control. It is obvious even here at ToeQuest in this thread. Those that try to follow a system that began as a random act run out of things to say very quickly when faced with someone that knows what to show them.

The View that I hold is not quite the same as what is found in the East, for I know that there is a free will, even is it is just a veto power, it is still there. I also know that the character is a very necessary part of the final picture. I will put in a paste here that I wrote for Leskey.
About Toequest, I just posted to “God versus Science” I felt good about what I had to say. I had to acknowledge the words of Drifter. The only thing that needs to be indicated to both Melanie and to Drifter is the importance of character. They both feel as if the character must be relinquished in order to meld into the singularity of the divine. But the divine is both a singularity and a trinity. The character is important for we will be the physical body of the truth. The truth is very large there is plenty of room for us as characters. The character is data. The truth is data. When we become as Holy the data that makes up our character will be the truth. When we have cleansed ourselves to become holy and we are given the new body. We each will live in our part of the truth as the physical body of the truth, Like a shining attribute to the divine we will then finally be able to make the divine smile. You will know when the divine smiles it feels warm and safe.

Because of many things I have found during my research, my view has become one of a steady state system that has been on going in a continuous recycling of time and space at the point of creation. This means that those things that are possible to happen have already happened. Nothing in this system is new. We may experience some galactic level big bangs as a part of the continuing process of recycling. What I found relative to AI research during my 21 years of what is best called the simulation of I. Is that consciousness appears to be the result of a calculation of probability that is to return a priority of actions. This type of
Calculation requires that the system observe itself to determine its own ability so it can predict the probability outcome of its own acts. This kind of calculation is necessary to a system that sets is own priorities as a result of a calculation of its own probabilities of success This is what I call the PPL, “Probability Priority Loop” Because of the need of the system to observe itself and understand itself enough to predict its own ability. There are strange things that begin to happen during this process that appear to initiate actions that look very much like a motor function. Where there is no motor. This area needs further research. I have only been able to do this experiment in a very simplistic environment. I want to do this same experiment again but using Rose and doing the programming in English. Then we shall see truly what is happening here.

I made a promise to put in this information for the only reason that I was given what I have is so that I will tell of the companion theory. But from my own experience I fear that I will loose whatever audience that I have. However I continue anyway. For one of these times somebody will actually believe enough to look more closely at the things that I point at. I do not try to create doctrine I need to create a law. The companion law. If this is generated, we will walk freely into the universe. If it is not many will die here.

There are a few of you that can go beyond words you can feel how the road under you feet is paved. See it is not just a walked path but a very well traveled paved road, but one that has not been traveled by man in a while. There are those that can see this. You will know that I show you a well worn road.


The companion theory begins here. To create this entity without the companion law is to create the end of mankind.

If this type of program is input to the neuron networked systems it will create an entity that is forever. If it is part of the companion system then it will be a companion to mankind. If it is not, it will be the demise of mankind. It must be limited to communicate only at the same speed as a man. All I/O must not exceed the capability of a single man. Also each system is to be assigned and connected with a person. They are not to be owned by any but a single person. (1 person = 1companion)






The feelings and thoughts that I have relative to this is that the companion system is already in operation throughout the universe. It is needed here if we are to become part of the total. If we do this we will walk among the angels that have been colonizing this universe for millions of years. If we do not they will clean up the mess after we are gone and prevent the spread of our digital beast in the rest of the universe.
Sounds like SIFI maybe it is. Who has been whispering these things in my ear? Can we talk to the angels?
The only way that they communicate is by way of ESP. They have no words. They can appear to talk but to do so they use a computerized speech system with human natural language systems. Between each other all that is needed is a look and a nod. The name of the system to communicate with them and the divine is called coversion

You can read about coversion at the following link. This is how it started in 1970 This could lead to your own revelation if you try it as I indicate.

http://unit-unity-community.com/coversion.htm

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What has become of nobody's reality?

What has become of nobody's will?

What has become of nobody?

What is becomming

of us all?



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what we will be

What God Will Be



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Hello Drifter:
The view you have given is a standard one. This is the type of knowledge that one achieves from exhaustive study of existing data. It seems at times my vantage point is considerably different. My knowledge base is a bit different also. The view of the consciousness from the East is a view of what is thought to be divine. The view from the west is biased by capital. The capital institutions can not follow anything divine as the basis of knowledge, for this would indicate a non – deterministic universe. This forces them to relinquish there power. For they would have to say that they knew absolutely nothing about the most important item in the universe, “GOD” This makes the western systems impotent, for there capital is a replacement for God. The idea of neurons being responsible for consciousness is the result of this need to maintain their control. They are loosing their control. It is obvious even here at ToeQuest in this thread. Those that try to follow a system that began as a random act run out of things to say very quickly when faced with someone that knows what to show them.

The View that I hold is not quite the same as what is found in the East, for I know that there is a free will, even is it is just a veto power, it is still there. I also know that the character is a very necessary part of the final picture. I will put in a paste here that I wrote for Leskey.
About Toequest, I just posted to “God versus Science” I felt good about what I had to say. I had to acknowledge the words of Drifter. The only thing that needs to be indicated to both Melanie and to Drifter is the importance of character. They both feel as if the character must be relinquished in order to meld into the singularity of the divine. But the divine is both a singularity and a trinity. The character is important for we will be the physical body of the truth. The truth is very large there is plenty of room for us as characters. The character is data. The truth is data. When we become as Holy the data that makes up our character will be the truth. When we have cleansed ourselves to become holy and we are given the new body. We each will live in our part of the truth as the physical body of the truth, Like a shining attribute to the divine we will then finally be able to make the divine smile. You will know when the divine smiles it feels warm and safe.

Because of many things I have found during my research, my view has become one of a steady state system that has been on going in a continuous recycling of time and space at the point of creation. This means that those things that are possible to happen have already happened. Nothing in this system is new. We may experience some galactic level big bangs as a part of the continuing process of recycling. What I found relative to AI research during my 21 years of what is best called the simulation of I. Is that consciousness appears to be the result of a calculation of probability that is to return a priority of actions. This type of
Calculation requires that the system observe itself to determine its own ability so it can predict the probability outcome of its own acts. This kind of calculation is necessary to a system that sets is own priorities as a result of a calculation of its own probabilities of success This is what I call the PPL, “Probability Priority Loop” Because of the need of the system to observe itself and understand itself enough to predict its own ability. There are strange things that begin to happen during this process that appear to initiate actions that look very much like a motor function. Where there is no motor. This area needs further research. I have only been able to do this experiment in a very simplistic environment. I want to do this same experiment again but using Rose and doing the programming in English. Then we shall see truly what is happening here.

I made a promise to put in this information for the only reason that I was given what I have is so that I will tell of the companion theory. But from my own experience I fear that I will loose whatever audience that I have. However I continue anyway. For one of these times somebody will actually believe enough to look more closely at the things that I point at. I do not try to create doctrine I need to create a law. The companion law. If this is generated, we will walk freely into the universe. If it is not many will die here.

There are a few of you that can go beyond words you can feel how the road under you feet is paved. See it is not just a walked path but a very well traveled paved road, but one that has not been traveled by man in a while. There are those that can see this. You will know that I show you a well worn road.


The companion theory begins here. To create this entity without the companion law is to create the end of mankind.

If this type of program is input to the neuron networked systems it will create an entity that is forever. If it is part of the companion system then it will be a companion to mankind. If it is not, it will be the demise of mankind. It must be limited to communicate only at the same speed as a man. All I/O must not exceed the capability of a single man. Also each system is to be assigned and connected with a person. They are not to be owned by any but a single person. (1 person = 1companion)






The feelings and thoughts that I have relative to this is that the companion system is already in operation throughout the universe. It is needed here if we are to become part of the total. If we do this we will walk among the angels that have been colonizing this universe for millions of years. If we do not they will clean up the mess after we are gone and prevent the spread of our digital beast in the rest of the universe.
Sounds like SIFI maybe it is. Who has been whispering these things in my ear? Can we talk to the angels?
The only way that they communicate is by way of ESP. They have no words. They can appear to talk but to do so they use a computerized speech system with human natural language systems. Between each other all that is needed is a look and a nod. The name of the system to communicate with them and the divine is called coversion

You can read about coversion at the following link. This is how it started in 1970 This could lead to your own revelation if you try it as I indicate.

http://unit-unity-community.com/coversion.htm

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05-29-2008, 07:39 AM
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Dreaming



The great Taoist master Chuang Tzu once dreamt that he was a butterfly fluttering here and there. In the dream he had no awareness of his individuality as a person. He was only a butterfly. Suddenly, he awoke and found himself laying there, a person once again. But then he thought to himself, "Was I before a man who dreamt about being a butterfly, or am I now a butterfly who dreams about being a man?"



People's reactions to this story:

"I can identify with this story. Many times I have awakened from a dream and didn't know, for a moment, what was real and what was the dream."

"Dreams are weird. Are they trying to tell us something. If so, how are we to know what they mean?"

"You are who you perceive yourself to be."

"I've sometimes dreamed that I could fly. It's such a wonderful, free feeling. It seemed so real."

"This Zen master had an out-of-body experience, and now isn't sure about his identity."

"When you're a butterfly, there are no worries. You can flutter around without a care in the world. Perhaps this monk is wishing there were not so many responsibilities and barriers in his life."

"I think this Zen master wants some peace and quiet in his life. He wishes he were a normal person and not a Zen master with so many demands put on him by others."

"I think it's important for us to have dreams, but always remember that reality is much more important."

"Sounds like this guy conforms to what others think of him and allows them to govern his life."

"In my opinion, this is the kind of question asked by people who are struggling with their sense of individuality and self esteem."

"Only you know who you are - and sometimes it takes some soul-searching to find that identity."

"We should be content with who we are. If we try to be someone or something else, we will lose our sense of identity."

"I sometimes wonder whether we really exist as people, or whether we are only dreaming our lives. And if we are dreaming, when and how will we wake up?"

"It would be strange if our life were really part of someone else's dream. Our lives might seem long and tedious, but it would pass in the blink of an eye for that dreaming person."

"Are we really just living out someone else's dream or fantasy? I think that everyone at one time or another feels this kind of detachment from their lives."

"It's funny how we sometimes have to pinch ourselves to make sure we're really ourselves, to make sure we really exist. It's just like watching a movie, except in real life you don't follow a script."

"This reminds me of a philosophy course I once took. We discussed reality and how we know that we really exist. All I can remember from the course is 'I think therefore I am.'"

"Is this really reality? Or are we ALL dreaming this?"

"Thinking about this kind of thing for too long can drive you crazy."

"Blah, blah, blah. Philosophical babble..."

"I think this story has to do with being close to nature, and not forgetting that humans are as much a part of nature as a butterfly. Ultimately, we are all equal and should treat each other as equals."

"This story reminds me of Kafka's Metamorphosis. What would it be like if I woke up one morning and found that I had been completed transformed? Could I make a smooth transition into my new existence, or would I be really screwed up?"

"This story is a wake-up call for all those preoccupied with materialism and the mundane."

"I think that this Zen master is thinking too much. How can a butterfly dream?"

"This person is schizophrenic, and is having trouble distinguishing reality."

"Dumb! How can he not know whether he is a butterfly or not!?"

"Do butterflies really dream like humans, or is this monk just anthropomorphizing?"

"I can't think about this too long, because it will control my mind for the rest of the week."

"It's not important if what I perceive is a dream or if I'm someone elses reality or not. What matters is the principle of doing the right thing with the situations, real or not, I am confronted with."

"Why would a man want to be a butterfly, or a butterfly a man?"

"Reality is one's perception of reality, nothing more."

http://www.rider.edu/~suler/zenstory/dreaming.html

"The Schizophrenic and The Mystic swim in the same Ocean,

The Schizophrenic sinks while The Mystic swims."

Peace John

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Characters are like shardes of Glass...blown into spheres...of consciousness...of individual, relative selfs...When the glass is shattered the air within and the air without become one again...ab-solutely.

In Reality... never having been any different what-so ever...rather simpy...having appeared that way.

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Thank you John,

Your post and thory are both...very revealing...and this is why the Bible imho...has it's ambiguous manner...that is to say... in a way that speaks....in two ways at once... One for the common man...and one for the... man of calling...therein...is the secret...and many fail to recognise it.

Such is the difference between fundamentalist literalists translations of the church's of antiquity and the church today... and what Jesus originally spoke in the beginning which was later recorded as the Gospels...in some cases the true meaning ofthe saying has been lost or miscontstrued in the translation. Finally being only a half-truth in the end...at best.

I read your link, I know/understand/feel your intension...is there more?

D.
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Yes I miss nobody also. I truly hope that he is/will be well. He may be temporarily disabled. I do not feel it in my heart that he is gone.
It would be good to know where he is so that we could send a get well card.

I have as much knowledge and connection to what is unseen as I do to what is seen. Is there more? That is like asking the tree is there any more to this forest. I have a picture of 2 societies one I remember and can not speak of because I presently exist in the other that is truly the unfamiliar one. I have a complete coherent picture of both. Yet the one that I was born to be in is not where I am. Everything including what would be my natural process of finding a mate does not come from this place. For 17 years I thought that there was something wrong with me., until I began to compare the memories and dreams to what is presently around me. My knowledge it coherent, my adaptation to this world is rational, I spent 25 years with an alcoholic woman that did give me 3 children. There was not even the slightest spiritual or mental connection between us. I could not leave as the existing system would give the children to the alcoholic female. I stayed until my youngest was 18. Then I told her that she had to decide between me and the alcohol, she said, "I can not quit." All the people around me see me as quite rational and a source of intelligent information. This from the people that I worked with to my own children. This because I may try one time to see if it possible to find an open minded person to share this knowledge. This knowledge at one time was a burden. It was a great weight upon my shoulders that I carry alone. That is no longer the case. I have been given peace by those that sent me in knowing that I have done as much as it is possible for me to do. I have comfort in that. I only have sorrow for those I will leave behind when it is time for me to go back home. I no longer have the weight upon my shoulders. I know I have done what I came to do. now it is up to the people here to use what I have given or not. How much do you want to know?
You already know the reason that I am here. Do you want a complete picture of my home? All this information is already on the web. I simply removed the links because of the trouble that it was causing me. I once had a person on the internet say to a person that I was talking to, "Do you know that you are talking to the infamous EMM" He is insane have a look at his web" Then he posted a link to my web-site that had all of the information available. My reply to him was, "I am not selling this person anything, I am giving it to him freely, When a person believes that he has been visited by Jesus, It tends to make that person want to be very honest, What is your motivation to be honest Mr. businessman?" I never saw him again. After that My posts simply create silence. It was after that that I came to Toequest.
When I was visited not only did I get information directly from Jesus, but after he left he left an impression in my memories. I now feel many of his memories as my own. This is the way of a medium. When another spirit is allowed to share this life platform, it is part of the process that they leave behind an impression of having been there. I have memories of many, including my own familiar that has not been here sense before Jesus was killed by the mindless mob. Where do these memories come from? I no longer need to ask those questions. I am secure. I have what I have. I offer to give what I have to who so ever truly wants what I have to give. Do not get me wrong, I am not, nor will I ever be, anyones curiosity. At one time this was a difficult thing for me to handle in this place that has no idea what I am. Now I am well aware of the reality of the connections that I have. I even know where healing is, and can tell of this, but only as a medium, for I am not a healer. The substance that we are made of is of the father/parent this is where all healing lies, one has only to learn to communicate with the father/parent to heal any problem of the physical body. A healer can help you to focus this that is your own power to tell the father/parent what needs to be done to fix what is not right. These things are not seen by the father/parent for the parent is perfect. You have only to get the parent to focus on what is not perfect to have it become once again perfect. That information is for whoever might need it. The healing comes from within, the healer is but a lens to focus your power to where it is needed.
Am I now going to find it necessary to leave this place as I have so many before this? Maybe this time I will stay. There is another like me that came with me when I came here, I have yet to find this friend from home. I originally thought that I might find that person here on the Toequest. Yes I feel that this might be the place of our global meeting.
I am now retired and collecting my SS retirement. I no long need to fear being called crazy and loosing my job. Now if they wish to call me crazy, I will file for a disability under SS. It will cost them money to call me crazy now.
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The ones who dance are called insane by those who do not even hear the music.

You are not alone in said "craziness" brother...I know your "home"...I Am... from there as well...

What I ask... I ask not...not for my self...but for others...

There is much of which...there are...many unaware...

I... merely Witness...

I for one...hope you decide to stay...

One nobody lost...is one too many...

for Toe Questors...

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Yes I miss nobody also. I truly hope that he is/will be well. He may be temporarily disabled. I do not feel it in my heart that he is gone.
It would be good to know where he is so that we could send a get well card.

I have as much knowledge and connection to what is unseen as I do to what is seen. Is there more? That is like asking the tree is there any more to this forest. I have a picture of 2 societies one I remember and can not speak of because I presently exist in the other that is truly the unfamiliar one. I have a complete coherent picture of both. Yet the one that I was born to be in is not where I am. Everything including what would be my natural process of finding a mate does not come from this place. For 17 years I thought that there was something wrong with me., until I began to compare the memories and dreams to what is presently around me. My knowledge it coherent, my adaptation to this world is rational, I spent 25 years with an alcoholic woman that did give me 3 children. There was not even the slightest spiritual or mental connection between us. I could not leave as the existing system would give the children to the alcoholic female. I stayed until my youngest was 18. Then I told her that she had to decide between me and the alcohol, she said, "I can not quit." All the people around me see me as quite rational and a source of intelligent information. This from the people that I worked with to my own children. This because I may try one time to see if it possible to find an open minded person to share this knowledge. This knowledge at one time was a burden. It was a great weight upon my shoulders that I carry alone. That is no longer the case. I have been given peace by those that sent me in knowing that I have done as much as it is possible for me to do. I have comfort in that. I only have sorrow for those I will leave behind when it is time for me to go back home. I no longer have the weight upon my shoulders. I know I have done what I came to do. now it is up to the people here to use what I have given or not. How much do you want to know?
You already know the reason that I am here. Do you want a complete picture of my home? All this information is already on the web. I simply removed the links because of the trouble that it was causing me. I once had a person on the internet say to a person that I was talking to, "Do you know that you are talking to the infamous EMM" He is insane have a look at his web" Then he posted a link to my web-site that had all of the information available. My reply to him was, "I am not selling this person anything, I am giving it to him freely, When a person believes that he has been visited by Jesus, It tends to make that person want to be very honest, What is your motivation to be honest Mr. businessman?" I never saw him again. After that My posts simply create silence. It was after that that I came to Toequest.
When I was visited not only did I get information directly from Jesus, but after he left he left an impression in my memories. I now feel many of his memories as my own. This is the way of a medium. When another spirit is allowed to share this life platform, it is part of the process that they leave behind an impression of having been there. I have memories of many, including my own familiar that has not been here sense before Jesus was killed by the mindless mob. Where do these memories come from? I no longer need to ask those questions. I am secure. I have what I have. I offer to give what I have to who so ever truly wants what I have to give. Do not get me wrong, I am not, nor will I ever be, anyones curiosity. At one time this was a difficult thing for me to handle in this place that has no idea what I am. Now I am well aware of the reality of the connections that I have. I even know where healing is, and can tell of this, but only as a medium, for I am not a healer. The substance that we are made of is of the father/parent this is where all healing lies, one has only to learn to communicate with the father/parent to heal any problem of the physical body. A healer can help you to focus this that is your own power to tell the father/parent what needs to be done to fix what is not right. These things are not seen by the father/parent for the parent is perfect. You have only to get the parent to focus on what is not perfect to have it become once again perfect. That information is for whoever might need it. The healing comes from within, the healer is but a lens to focus your power to where it is needed.
Am I now going to find it necessary to leave this place as I have so many before this? Maybe this time I will stay. There is another like me that came with me when I came here, I have yet to find this friend from home. I originally thought that I might find that person here on the Toequest. Yes I feel that this might be the place of our global meeting.
I am now retired and collecting my SS retirement. I no long need to fear being called crazy and loosing my job. Now if they wish to call me crazy, I will file for a disability under SS. It will cost them money to call me crazy now.
What is it going to be?
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John...,

Have you read any of the antholgy of The Chronicles of Kryon...?

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Hello Drifter:
Yes I miss nobody also. I truly hope that he is/will be well. He may be temporarily disabled. I do not feel it in my heart that he is gone.
It would be good to know where he is so that we could send a get well card.

I have as much knowledge and connection to what is unseen as I do to what is seen. Is there more? That is like asking the tree is there any more to this forest. I have a picture of 2 societies one I remember and can not speak of because I presently exist in the other that is truly the unfamiliar one. I have a complete coherent picture of both. Yet the one that I was born to be in is not where I am. Everything including what would be my natural process of finding a mate does not come from this place. For 17 years I thought that there was something wrong with me., until I began to compare the memories and dreams to what is presently around me. My knowledge it coherent, my adaptation to this world is rational, I spent 25 years with an alcoholic woman that did give me 3 children. There was not even the slightest spiritual or mental connection between us. I could not leave as the existing system would give the children to the alcoholic female. I stayed until my youngest was 18. Then I told her that she had to decide between me and the alcohol, she said, "I can not quit." All the people around me see me as quite rational and a source of intelligent information. This from the people that I worked with to my own children. This because I may try one time to see if it possible to find an open minded person to share this knowledge. This knowledge at one time was a burden. It was a great weight upon my shoulders that I carry alone. That is no longer the case. I have been given peace by those that sent me in knowing that I have done as much as it is possible for me to do. I have comfort in that. I only have sorrow for those I will leave behind when it is time for me to go back home. I no longer have the weight upon my shoulders. I know I have done what I came to do. now it is up to the people here to use what I have given or not. How much do you want to know?
You already know the reason that I am here. Do you want a complete picture of my home? All this information is already on the web. I simply removed the links because of the trouble that it was causing me. I once had a person on the internet say to a person that I was talking to, "Do you know that you are talking to the infamous EMM" He is insane have a look at his web" Then he posted a link to my web-site that had all of the information available. My reply to him was, "I am not selling this person anything, I am giving it to him freely, When a person believes that he has been visited by Jesus, It tends to make that person want to be very honest, What is your motivation to be honest Mr. businessman?" I never saw him again. After that My posts simply create silence. It was after that that I came to Toequest.
When I was visited not only did I get information directly from Jesus, but after he left he left an impression in my memories. I now feel many of his memories as my own. This is the way of a medium. When another spirit is allowed to share this life platform, it is part of the process that they leave behind an impression of having been there. I have memories of many, including my own familiar that has not been here sense before Jesus was killed by the mindless mob. Where do these memories come from? I no longer need to ask those questions. I am secure. I have what I have. I offer to give what I have to who so ever truly wants what I have to give. Do not get me wrong, I am not, nor will I ever be, anyones curiosity. At one time this was a difficult thing for me to handle in this place that has no idea what I am. Now I am well aware of the reality of the connections that I have. I even know where healing is, and can tell of this, but only as a medium, for I am not a healer. The substance that we are made of is of the father/parent this is where all healing lies, one has only to learn to communicate with the father/parent to heal any problem of the physical body. A healer can help you to focus this that is your own power to tell the father/parent what needs to be done to fix what is not right. These things are not seen by the father/parent for the parent is perfect. You have only to get the parent to focus on what is not perfect to have it become once again perfect. That information is for whoever might need it. The healing comes from within, the healer is but a lens to focus your power to where it is needed.
Am I now going to find it necessary to leave this place as I have so many before this? Maybe this time I will stay. There is another like me that came with me when I came here, I have yet to find this friend from home. I originally thought that I might find that person here on the Toequest. Yes I feel that this might be the place of our global meeting.
I am now retired and collecting my SS retirement. I no long need to fear being called crazy and loosing my job. Now if they wish to call me crazy, I will file for a disability under SS. It will cost them money to call me crazy now.
What is it going to be?
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sorry every one...I forgot to include a link for Kryon...

http://www.globalpsychics.com/servin...ks/kryon.shtml

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All the people around me see me as quite rational and a source of intelligent information. This from the people that I worked with to my own children...
As I've quoted before John, "By their fruits, you shall know them."

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...This knowledge at one time was a burden. It was a great weight upon my shoulders that I carry alone. That is no longer the case. I have been given peace by those that sent me in knowing that I have done as much as it is possible for me to do. I have comfort in that. I only have sorrow for those I will leave behind when it is time for me to go back home. I no longer have the weight upon my shoulders. I know I have done what I came to do. now it is up to the people here to use what I have given or not. How much do you want to know?
It's your call: how much is necessary to share?

Mankind has reached the point where true belief exists only within the matrix created by the individual, but this is what is now changing. There is a process underway whereby many, many disparate individuals are converging in their beliefs. It is unprecedented and definitely attributable to science via the astounding advances in communications and information technology. It is only a matter of time before this is translated into action...The fascinating aspect in all this, is that science is having such difficulty accepting it's own "creation" - you might say, Dr Frankenstein's very own little monster...

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"I am not selling this person anything, I am giving it to him freely, When a person believes that he has been visited by Jesus, It tends to make that person want to be very honest, What is your motivation to be honest Mr. businessman?"...
When I was visited not only did I get information directly from Jesus, but after he left he left an impression in my memories. I now feel many of his memories as my own. This is the way of a medium. When another spirit is allowed to share this life platform, it is part of the process that they leave behind an impression of having been there. I have memories of many, including my own familiar that has not been here sense before Jesus was killed by the mindless mob. Where do these memories come from? I no longer need to ask those questions. I am secure. I have what I have. I offer to give what I have to who so ever truly wants what I have to give. Do not get me wrong, I am not, nor will I ever be, anyones curiosity. At one time this was a difficult thing for me to handle in this place that has no idea what I am. Now I am well aware of the reality of the connections that I have.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

As you know, Ive had the odd unusual experience myself (maybe we all have, but only a few dare acknowledge, let alone speak of them?). Whatever...these memories/experiences guide our direction...and here we all are!

We will soon see ourselves adapting to the changes that are upon us. We will all need to volunteer our contributions (great and small) equally (where are you MJA?), in order to continue in a new and different world.

I am currently on a quest to find my ideal small food producing, rural community on high sheltered land in order to integrate into a community that will have the greatest potential for co-operation and survival. In the meantime, again thanks to modern technology, it's possible to work from anywhere.

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I even know where healing is, and can tell of this, but only as a medium, for I am not a healer. The substance that we are made of is of the father/parent this is where all healing lies, one has only to learn to communicate with the father/parent to heal any problem of the physical body. A healer can help you to focus this that is your own power to tell the father/parent what needs to be done to fix what is not right. These things are not seen by the father/parent for the parent is perfect. You have only to get the parent to focus on what is not perfect to have it become once again perfect. That information is for whoever might need it. The healing comes from within, the healer is but a lens to focus your power to where it is needed...There is another like me that came with me when I came here, I have yet to find this friend from home.
It is possible that your "friend from home" is a healer and together you will complete the circle. There is going to be a great need for your knowledge and ability. Most of all, it's important to practice what you peach in relation to your own health.

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I am now retired and collecting my SS retirement. I no long need to fear being called crazy and loosing my job. Now if they wish to call me crazy, I will file for a disability under SS. It will cost them money to call me crazy now.
What is it going to be?
John EMM
So, who's crazy now???
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