Well, just the same morals that humans came up with before they knew of a God who said about the same stuff concerning human interactions, plus any local civil laws and regulations over things mortal.
Well, just the same morals that humans came up with before they knew of a God who said about the same stuff concerning human interactions, plus any local civil laws and regulations over things mortal.
Responsibility came when some people didn't like their stuff stolen and such and so then they made some civil laws and penalties, regardless of God or no God.
Experience, real or illusional, seems to come of sensory impressions, whether from internal or external. One may leap to proof from them, that is, to say the 'red' is really out there, as a Truth, but 'red' may only be a translation of the mind. Same with knowing if the wavelengths leading to 'red' are really out there—the Truth—or if something out there—another Truth—just put these ' fake' emanations there as illusion.
Even though all is sensory neurological experience felt by mind, brain, and consciousness, it's always a leap to taking them as a Proof of even another leap to that of a Truth, such as a One.
Yeah, we just need to figure out, do we need God in this equation of life or not
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Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com
Hi Dip,
Responsibility came when some people didn't like their stuff stolen and such and so then they made some civil laws and penalties, regardless of God or no God.
Well, just the same morals that humans came up with before they knew of a God who said about the same stuff concerning human interactions, plus any local civil laws and regulations over things mortal.
This is the first chance I've had to come back to this thread in a while.
Is there evidence of Mankind having any "morality" (other than do what you want but don't get caught) BEFORE "they knew of a God?"
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"Perfection is not when there is more to add, but when there is no more to take away." Antoine De Saint-Eupery
Disclaimer: *The above statements are my opinion only and shouldn't be taken as factual. Read at your own risk*
I'm not sure what they had as a morality back then (maybe Graybeard knows, plus he just recently descended), so I can only suppose that their morality was what their society came up with at the time of what was right to do.
If they thought that outsiders were a threat from being hostile, then maybe they did away with them and that was OK.
I guess we have to figure where guilt came from, too, and when.
Also, later, they may have loosely invented some intents of nature and proclaimed what it wanted from them, but it was probably close to what their morality was already.
I might have just said I don't know.
Humans still think they can get away with things.
Sometimes I glide through stop signs instead of fully stopping. Another time I drank some slightly expired milk. Also removed a tag once that said "Do not remove this tag under penalty of law".
I'm not sure what they had as a morality back then (maybe Graybeard knows, plus he just recently descended), so I can only suppose that their morality was what their society came up with at the time of what was right to do.
If they thought that outsiders were a threat from being hostile, then maybe they did away with them and that was OK.
I guess we have to figure where guilt came from, too, and when.
Also, later, they may have loosely invented some intents of nature and proclaimed what it wanted from them, but it was probably close to what their morality was already.
I might have just said I don't know.
Humans still think they can get away with things.
Sometimes I glide through stop signs instead of fully stopping. Another time I drank some slightly expired milk. Also removed a tag once that said "Do not remove this tag under penalty of law".
LOL! Yes, humans will always think they can get away with things (after all, just look: you have!).
Thanks for the thoughful reply, Austin. Well...at least you gave an answer. Many at TOE refuse to stray out from under their scientific, security blanets to even "ponder" out loud about unscientific subjects. Seems any TOE that's served up to humanity will be a dinghy with one oar...
I wonder if there is a cumulative effect for everything we have ever got away with? Don't answer. I'm just musing...
__________________ "What a fragile balance between the indispensable and the sublime." Hans Blumenberg
"Perfection is not when there is more to add, but when there is no more to take away." Antoine De Saint-Eupery
Disclaimer: *The above statements are my opinion only and shouldn't be taken as factual. Read at your own risk*
There is a cumulative effect for everything we do, 'good' or 'bad', for neurons lengthen, sprout, grow, and connect to other neurons. Isn't is scary that learning can become so dangerously permanent?
A good horror movie would be to show a person, better yet a child, with a transparent head so that we could see the wiring forming and strenghtening when e repeatedly does a bad thing (or merely watches).
We never forget how to ride a bike, but some never forget how to commit a crime.
LOL! Yes, humans will always think they can get away with things (after all, just look: you have!). 
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