Do you believe in Creation?

[ThirdWorld]

It has also been hypothesized that Adam and Eve were genetic experiments, which would mesh with a lord walking in a garden and needing to stitch up Adam. It would also mesh as a history repeating itself, something like the genetic experiments being worked on today. Then perhaps there were more clones walking the earth than previously considered, with enough to start a few races without incestuous relations.

*** If we were here discussing evolution I would have taken you up on this "genetic experiments" thing, since in my view, the creation of living things was done in a manner that resembles a process of experimentation by God as he used former creatures and improved on the design until he arrived at the perfect creature, mankind.


But as I explained above there is no need to try to sanitize the scriptures by removing incest from the origin of man. That was God's plan to display one of his virtues ie grace even as Paul said to the Romans: "what if God willing to show his wrath endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction...?"

It's all about God: he makes vessels for honor and others for other uses just to display his wrath, power, glory, mercy, grace etc.

( He also gives everyone the opportunity to be vessels of honor if they want to be such.)

Roger

[ThirdWorld]

So if a person lived to be 877.714285712 years old back then (I am just using my age as the example since 900 is too difficult for me to figure exactly 109.714285714 x 8 = the 877 number), that is 32 x 8 = 256 years as we know it.

*** 256 is still much more than todays lifespans and 969 [Methusela] will be even worse.

Also, what about Mahalaleel and Enoch who had sons when they were 65 years old: 65/8 gives just over 8 years old?

Further, with the ages given in the bible I calculate a date around 3,600 BC for the time the first man appeared.

Egyptian records of pharoahs date back to 3,200 so it is clear that the ages given in the bible are genuine compared to those sources although those egyptian records would have been subject to the same phenomenon you described if that phenomenon did in fact exist .

Roger

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Anyone got an eraser, to erase these mistakes...?

[sillysally]

*** 256 is still much more than todays lifespans and 969 [Methusela] will be even worse.

It's a contrast of then and now. If I was equal to 256 years at 32, I will be 512 at age 64, Adam and Eve didn't live over 100 years because if I live to be 128 (some people have lived to 120 I think) I would live to be 1024 biblical years. It's too much for me to figure the 900 exact year age but I thought it was simple to understand. It tends to confuse some people. If Eve had a child at age 90, she was actually in her early teens, maybe even 12 or 13 years old.

Also, what about Mahalaleel and Enoch who had sons when they were 65 years old: 65/8 gives just over 8 years old?

It's possible.

Further, with the ages given in the bible I calculate a date around 3,600 BC for the time the first man appeared.

How do you calculate this number?

Egyptian records of pharoahs date back to 3,200 so it is clear that the ages given in the bible are genuine compared to those sources although those egyptian records would have been subject to the same phenomenon you described if that phenomenon did in fact exist .

Roger

Do you think gravity was different then? I think that's the only way people can live that long and not age for a while. I can't even imagine what a 900 year old person would look like, can you? You can live in the cleanest environment and eat the best food but gravity still takes it's toll on our bodies.

[ThirdWorld]

It's possible.

*** It is possible for an 8 year old to have a son? That means he got his wife pregnant when he was 7 (or less than 8 years old) That is, he was about half the age I was before I could.

He sure came early.

How do you calculate this number?

*** Simply by adding the respective ages the ancestors were when they had their sons: for example Adam was say 135 when he had Seth, and Seth was say 132 when he had his son and so on. So by adding 135 + 132 +...I arrived at a total of 2304 from the creation of Adam to the death of Joseph. [ The 135, and 132 are just figures I am pulling from memory here but I added up the correct figures taken from the bible to get the 2304].

Also it is evident from the biblical and egyptian records that Joseph died before the dynasty of Raameses I which started around 1300 BC. So when we add the 2304 to 1300 that gives the approximate 3600.

Do you think gravity was different then? I think that's the only way people can live that long and not age for a while.

*** I don't think gravity was different then but gravity has absolutely nothing to do with aging in my view.

I can't even imagine what a 900 year old person would look like, can you?

*** Yes, he/ she will look like a 90 year old of our time.

You can live in the cleanest environment and eat the best food but gravity still takes it's toll on our bodies.

*** Not gravity, but aging takes a toll on us. I believe this is so because even the best foods we have today are not "good" in terms of rejuvenating us.

I also think it is possible to manufacture a type of food that can do this work of rejuvenation but scientists have not yet discovered it: that food will contain a special type of carbon.


Roger

[N0B0DY]

I think, though not intentionally exaggerated, the biblical numbers were based on a different number system that would render 100 as 10, etc..

The only exodus known in history, as well, of the Hyksos, could be correlated with the biblical accounts which would render the 600,000+ exodus as 60,000+.

[ThirdWorld]

I think, though not intentionally exaggerated, the biblical numbers were based on a different number system that would render 100 as 10, etc..

*** There is no evidence to support this your view: the ages of early man given in the bible when added up agree with the dates given by independent historical sources.

The only exodus known in history, as well, of the Hyksos, could be correlated with the biblical accounts which would render the 600,000+ exodus as 60,000+.

*** How is the 600,000 to be rendered 60,000?

By my counting the population of Israelites could have grown from 70 to 600,000 in about 190 years, which is the time of the Israelites from entry to exodus of Egypt.

Roger

[N0B0DY]

I would prefer to follow comparative accounts that collaborate accounts, outside the bibilical texts, in order to form any relevant opinions. There is no known exodus other than the Hyksos' and egyptologists move back and forth through the centuries like there is no tomorrow.

I get most of my information from this scientist I have followed for years - http://www.atlan.org/articles/sci.html - who places the flood back to the only point in history where collaborative accounts mesh a global cataclym and works from there - which is "pleistocene end" 10,500 B.C. approx.. It changes alot of factors.

[everymansmedium]

This question is biased from the beginning.
How about the answer,
“I use LOGIC to conclude that what I see before me could not have happened at random.”

I AM a single dimensional being existing in a single dimensional strand of time. There are other beings that are also 3 dimensional. These are the only facts that I have, for all else could be a dream. Even the concept of our body might be nothing but a dream. I might add that it is likely to be a collective dream as I have communicated with others that bear witness to my own experience. However they have no more ability than I have as to the reality of what we experience.

Why is it that the primary questions remain unanswered?
Is there a God?
What is God?
What is a being?
What is energy?
What is matter?
What is space?
What is time?
Is all else that we think that we know, based on these things that we can not answer?

We have only answered questions that were needed to be answered for our survival. These answers may be nothing more than an excuse for the manifestation of what was needed or desired. We dig through all of our excuses that gave us all of the manifestations of what exists now in this world, expecting to find the answers to the very first questions that were never answered because there was no need for us to know them.

Could it be that gravity is the manifestation of the divine, like walking on the waters of the void, so as to create this place that we experience?

How much of our technology is nothing more than a collective excuse to believe in the manifestation of the original intent?

Was this simply a way to continue the experiment, by giving us what we needed to survive by giving us the excuse to collectively believe?

Was the picture that we see, created for us, so a single dimensional being can find the knowledge and understanding of a 3 dimensional being as our creator? To do this we must experience a 3 dimensional existence medium as we now do.

What have we learned?
Is it possible that Jesus did walk on water simply because he knew that he could?
I see mankind presently like a puppy chasing it’s tail. While the unavoidable surrounding are closing in on this poor stupid puppy, of which I am also one, WOOF!
The creator of silence.
John

[MJA]

I believe in creation because Mom And Dad created me!
I have no doubt of that, do you?
Creation is true.

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MJA