Is it possible to prove the non-existence of God?

[melanie]

The you that looks in the mirror, that replies to these posts, is the ONLY real you, every thing else is only opinion or conjecture or just plain confused ?????

ok, this is my opinion, but i'm not confused, that is only your opinion.

I'm viewing my reality with complete clarity.
How i get my clarity across to others will remain difficult, mainly because each and everyone of us perceives their realities different.

There are people that will understand my posts and people who will not.

I'm merely putting forward a different view point of reality, one that is not taught within mainstream education.

What i am proposing ..It is self taught.

Everything in the universe weighs the same no matter how you measure or weigh it up.
It always remains the same, forever unchanged.
The self want's to experience itself, so it does so in the manifest world.
Which is this here-now manifest, we are the instruments the self uses to experience itself.
The spirit, or animator, lights and powers the vehicle/body.
Creating life.
We imitate this life by using our own man-made instruments to measure and weigh.
It is a game of hide and seek the self plays with the self.
It is experiencing itself through us and every other animate and inanimate object.

The external world is only a manifestation of the internal world.
To deny the internal (unseen) world is to deny the external world (seen)


My point is i've got the TOE, but if people refuse to look at it or believe in it.
That's up to them...i'm not here to force my opinions on others.
If people want to dismiss it as rubbish... so be it.
But it makes no difference to me, i'm only here to share the TOE.

It doesn't matter how we weigh and measure everything up at the end of the day.
Because no-thing will ever change.
The universe appears to the senses, we being the instrument for these senses.
APPEARING as the universe....Is appears as it is .. and that will never change,
it is not going anywhere.

THIS is so simple.
It is eternal.



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[Profpat]

Mel ... this is very convoluted logic. If the real (physical) me is only a real reflection of the real me ... a sort of mask ... then the real me could just be further projections into the background ...... ad infinitum.

You need a base line to measure from. If the physical you burns its physical hand in a physical fire, then that energy transfer can be measured ... Its a reality with a measured amount of energy transfer. That energy came from the Universe and will return to it.

Regardless of your perceptions, or the perceptions of ALL the real you(s) that are not physically manifest ... the amount of energy will always be measured, by independent means, as the same.

This is the base line, unless you can provide evidence to the contrary. The you that looks in the mirror, that replies to these posts, is the ONLY real you, every thing else is only opinion or conjecture or just plain confused ?????

Have I made myself clear .... rotflmao

cool bananas ... greg

But to truly know " something ", you need to know them Subjectly and Objectly, to the extent possible. ( Take it to the limit )

Isn't man, at the end, the measurer of all things? We name the animals, we define, we distinguish. And early man knew this, and why he would paint pictures of animals on his cave walls, and would dress in their skins, at times trancing themselves into to essence of the animal itself. True knowledge, 1st hand experience.

Something gets lost in the translation, ( the essence ).

One of the many things which make man special.

[Profpat]

Hi All...

Greg...I do believe that substance and verification are best held to character....then one never finds such a need for the kind of importance which becomes a pedestal for any man or woman to become a religious or spiritual proponent who lives with the fallacious lie they are chosen to suffocate all lives to justify the truths of their own.

I am in awe of your cleverness....in your chosen words "at least Prof is honest" you never even had to say the words that Mikal is not and so therefore is a liar...yet there is a fine line between what is said and what is implied. I do believe you have broken your own 2nd commandment..."do as you would be done by"....for even covert implications are truly accusations against another....

Your constant repititions about mocking 3 and 7 are quite paradoxical when all through this forum it is quite normal for scientific investigators and thinkers to embellish their work with numbers of levels and dimensions to grasp their own insights....

"man's duty rests with humanity"...what a profound principle and just might imply the importance within our lives that buried within the complexity of love is enough spiritual discipline to create a world fine enough and worthy enough for all of us to live and not just a chosen few...



Austin...I would tell you that "learning from hearing statements" was not an unfortunate point for me. I take all thoughts and statements to critical thought, so it is not so much that a person was professing something, it becomes more important to remove all embellished information in order to attain a clear, mental viewpoint concerning what is really being said and how and in what way was it blocking my possiblilities to live with mental freedom....




Mikal

You tell em' mom. I like the numbers of 3 1/7.

Magical numbers, but then all numbers have magic in them. Like all words, and all letters.

[melanie]

Mel ... this is very convoluted logic. If the real (physical) me is only a real reflection of the real me ...
a sort of mask ... then the real me could just be further projections into the background ...... ad infinitum.

That's right because you are a projection of your own mind.
There is no separateness out there, all the things and other people
are only projections of yourself, appearing separate.
It's all the same one self appearing in your awareness.

You need a base line to measure from.
If the physical you burns its physical hand in a physical fire, then that energy transfer can be measured ...
Its a reality with a measured amount of energy transfer.
That energy came from the Universe and will return to it.

We are only talking about the outer of the inner here.
Your dreams at night don't harm you because they are not real.
Yet the dreams of waking life do harm you because they are real.
The waking life is only the inward reality(unseen) turned outward (seen)
The unreal dreams become real.
Which is good really, otherwise, everything would be unreal.
Or fake. It becomes real,
sometimes in your nightly dreams, you might say
Oh, i wish that dream had been real,
well that's what ''waking life'' IS
It is the dream made real.
And we are the experiencing of this drama.

But both the inner dreams and the outer dreams are the same one dreamer.
And that is awareness.

Regardless of your perceptions, or the perceptions of ALL the real you(s) that are not physically manifest ...
the amount of energy will always be measured, by independent means, as the same.

Only from the relative perspective yes, because we measure and weigh up reality in relation to everything else.
This is part of the drama, it's what we do in this dream of separation.
It is part of the dynamics of this life, it's what makes it all worth while, while we are the experiencing of it.
From the relative perspective/ position in the dream.

This is the base line, unless you can provide evidence to the contrary.

What evidence are you looking for? what do you need to have proved ?
Isn't reality is own self evidence.

In the dream of separation, the characters look at the universe and they try to figure out how it works.
But it is the same one self that does all this.
The self is witness to itself, it watches it's self in it's own drama.

Similarly we can go to the movies, watch a film and be affected by what we see, via our emotions.
But we know it's just a film, it wasn't real.
That's how reality works, awareness looks on in detachment at it's own emotional dramas.
In this conception .. awareness watches itself in it's own conception and it keeps on doing this forever unchanged.
The one same self appears AS all the different characters on the world stage.
The same one self will wear different costumes, playing different roles.
But the audience will remain forever unchanged.

Greg, you won't die because you were never born.
Just as the people in your nightly dreams are not born people,they were only dream substance.
It's all dream substance in reality...but we ''think'' and take it too seriously.

But then i CAN'T SAY I BLAME THEM FOR THAT.
It is a survival mechanism that has evolved in them.
When we realize what's going on, we lose our fear of death.
Because we realize no-thing exists in the first place.
It is all dreamscape.


When people are dead, they don't know they are dead.
All that is ever known .. is life....aka (AWARENESS)


Greg, shall i just not bother trying to put this view across?
What do you think.

Nobody really buys it do they, but really it is the actual truth of our reality IMHO.

~ Be cool.




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[Mikal]

You tell em' mom. I like the numbers of 3 1/7.

Magical numbers, but then all numbers have magic in them. Like all words, and all letters.

Well thank you Prof for the very beautiful compliment. I have a great respect for the universal concept of the Great Mother. My maternal essence is a principal of my internal character for if God did not endow the mother with a special love and then add a touch of that special quality to love with great discipline God would have been forgetting the universal law that from your father's seed you shall spring but I shall leave you resting within the emotional essence of your mother for it shall be her loins which shall bear you into life...

Yes magic is in numbers, geometrical symbols and words for it is beyond and underneath those appearances in which Divine truths are found..where we find the secret meanings of words, the allegorical significance of parables and meanings hidden in colors. Physically you are a "thing" or person of creation but divinely you are a pattern of information within the substance of the universal mind...


Mikal

[melanie]

I have a great respect for the universal concept of the Great Mother.
My maternal essence is a principal of my internal character for if God did not endow the mother with a special love and then add a touch of that special quality to love with great discipline God would have been forgetting the universal law that from your father's seed you shall spring but I shall leave you resting within the emotional essence of your mother for it shall be her loins which shall bear you into life...



Mikal

"One can think of many spiritual things that are negated
by taking them outwardly instead of inwardly.
The virgin birth is one.
This has a powerful meaning for any one who is
going through the individuation process,
for it tells us that the miraculous event,
the birth of Christ within us,
comes about through the intercourse of divine powers
with the eternal human soul.
That Christ birth can come in us too,
if our soul interacts with God,
and when it does it is just as miraculous and unbelievable
as a virgin birth.
But if we get stuck in the literal, historical question- did it happen
literally that way with Jesus' human birth-
then we never get to this inner meaning and it's profound truth.

Much of christianity is a set of laws relating to, coping with,
or making meaningful the inner parts of one's being,
not a set of outer laws for conduct.
Few people are aware of this differentiation."
~Robert A. Johnson

[Mikal]

Hi Mel...if we get into a literal historical question about the virgin birth we will find ourselves confronting the cultural base of the ancient societies' as astrological in nature for astrology to them was their psychology. According to historical data Jesus was born in September of 7 BC when the Sun (his life) was in the 6th house of the Symbol, Virgo the Virgin...hense the myth.."born onto a virgin."

Also specific to that time in the stars, which the ancient masters and astromoners studied, "this was the only time of a great conjunction between Jupiter and Saturn which would occur three times in that year"...signifying to them.."a balanced individual would be born, who within his nature would be a great prophet...a leader of man who would introduce new laws or lead a new religion and teach sages and men."

This was their culture, we cannot ever remove them from their own historical epochs as time and history march on....


Mikal

[melanie]

Hi Mel...if we get into a literal historical question about the virgin birth we will find ourselves confronting the cultural base of the ancient societies' as astrological in nature for astrology to them was their psychology. According to historical data Jesus was born in September of 7 BC when the Sun (his life) was in the 6th house of the Symbol, Virgo the Virgin...hense the myth.."born onto a virgin."

Also specific to that time in the stars, which the ancient masters and astromoners studied, "this was the only time of a great conjunction between Jupiter and Saturn which would occur three times in that year"...signifying to them.."a balanced individual would be born, who within his nature would be a great prophet...a leader of man who would introduce new laws or lead a new religion and teach sages and men."

This was their culture, we cannot ever remove them from their own historical epochs as time and history march on....


Mikal

I agree with all this stuff Mikal...I'm glad your here to be able to explain it with such unsurpassed preciseness and accuracy of expression.
Something i can't do. But i understand it when i read about it.

What i find fascinating too is my own personal Birth-date.

There are three 7's appearing in it....

Look at this.....my birthday is

25 07 57

add the 2+5=7 there you have three 7's the other 5 in the date represents the fifth sign of the zodiac which is Leo...Which is my birth sign.

All seems quite a coincidence if nothing else.

[Mikal]

Hi Mel....well isn't that strange...according to your birthdate...you are on the same universal numbered lifepath as Austin....its a birth path about personal and individual power...learning all about it and learning how to ethically handle your own sense of power...wow now I understand the clash of wills between you and Austin....smiles...neither you nor Austin are here about worldly achievement...but mastering an inner sense of personal and individual power that enhances the whole of your life....very interesting indeed Mel....


Mikal

[melanie]

Hi Mel....well isn't that strange...according to your birthdate...you are on the same universal numbered lifepath as Austin....its a birth path about personal and individual power...learning all about it and learning how to ethically handle your own sense of power...wow now I understand the clash of wills between you and Austin....smiles...neither you nor Austin are here about worldly achievement...but mastering an inner sense of personal and individual power that enhances the whole of your life....very interesting indeed Mel....


Mikal

That is amazing.
Thanks for this Mikal, i'm wondering if austin is an Aquarius, that would place him my polar opposite.
But i think he's a sagittarius, which is a fire sign, like mine. LOL

Probably why we clash personality wise.
Although i do have a strange fascination for austin, i see lot's of beauty in his expression, but at the same time i sense a dark side in him.,,no offense austin.
Also my name melanie means [DARK] and i know i am quite dark in my character sometimes, but it is only bravado.

WoW this is getting interesting.....is it not.

blimey what do you make of that then.