Is it possible to prove the non-existence of God?

[Profpat]

once something is it can never not be.

Maybe that is the oblivion I came from, and I don't remember.

[Profpat]

Mikal, please define soul without using words that only repeat the same thought. exactly, undefinable. every word we use is just they way we try to explain the unexplainable. no disrespect to Descarte, but thinking and being may have nothing to do with each other. I am therefore I am.

How about:

I am therefore I am therefore God

[Mikal]

Mikal, please define soul without using words that only repeat the same thought. exactly, undefinable. every word we use is just they way we try to explain the unexplainable. no disrespect to Descarte, but thinking and being may have nothing to do with each other. I am therefore I am.

Hi gg...the soul is that part of us which is pure understanding, one cannot experience their soul unless they evolve to the experience of self-awareness because in self-awareness is "forethought"...the ability to stop before you create actions so you can measure and weigh if your intended actions will hurt or harm another.....once evolved to the knowing of your soul, life, people, the world and the society you are dwelling in become "knowable or understandable".....
It is a beautiful experience because "oneness" is experienced....


Mikal

[Profpat]

once something is it can never not be.

Ok, there is no death, if there is life.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Hi Prof,

Are you still forgetting to take your memory pills?

You were dead forever until you were born and then will be dead forever again. Just joking.

And, yes, many humans, such as children, are very dear. But in no way does that emotional tug show "God".

As for total nothing, we have proved that it never was and never can be. Why? Because it if ever were, totally, then it would still be here, which, obviously, is not the case. So, total nothing is doomed to oblivion.

That means something HAD TO BE—and that is a great insight! [for now we have that as a starting point to say that some non-quite-thing [like Potential perhaps] had to be around forever [this being no problem with infinity, since only things are tied to time].


On another tack, think of how all gets simpler and simpler as we look back: atoms from stars from protons from quarks…

Why of all places, would humans dream of placing and ultimate complexity [God] as the next smaller thing of the series, of all places??? "God" is more complex than the universe that we are noting. So, then do humans not only not answer when they make things up, but also make a much larger question! [To which they then all of the sudden know nothing at all about it!]

Aren't human mammals so inventive and prideful and all to invent invisible beings and souls and their own specialness and more and more assumptions upon that…?

[Profpat]

Hi gg...the soul is that part of us which is pure understanding, one cannot experience their soul unless they evolve to the experience of self-awareness because in self-awareness is "forethought"...the ability to stop before you create actions so you can measure and weigh if your intended actions will hurt or harm another.....once evolved to the knowing of your soul, life, people, the world and the society you are dwelling in become "knowable or understandable".....
It is a beautiful experience because "oneness" is experienced....


Mikal

So there is ONE PURE SOUL within all of us?

[austintorn@aol.com]

the ability to stop before you create actions so you can measure and weigh if your intended actions will hurt or harm another

This stuff is just a relabeling as "soul" of what is the actual brain's planning areas in the frontal lobes. People receiving lobotomies lose this ability.

All this "soul" stuff has gotten so ridiculous that the [naturally invisible] "soul' is now said to replicate all of the brain's functions of mind, consciousness, and everything. Why? So it can go on to the made up silliness of existing before and after death. Why? So prideful human mammals can be special and therefore have the reward of an afterlife, which is again made up. Only 10 layers of making up piled one atop the other.

[austintorn@aol.com]

For all those out here who employ magic words such as "spiritual", "soul", "God" and the like…

Please define your words and don't overload the word apart from the normal use, if it even has one. For, example they guy named Mario might have the soul being completely parallel and apart from the brain, while others might mean just that feeling of conscience that we have [being nothing of God or spiritual] as higher evolutionary beings of regular nature.

Otherwise, identifying all sorts of invisible things as being real [but you just can't see them] is not really going anywhere and is getting ridiculous.

Also, please do turn in your brains if the "soul" does indeed do it all, for then your brain is of no use whatsoever. I will resist saying that the spiritual have no brains…

Now I will probably hear more made up details about how the brain/soul merge, but be sure to say what's missing after death, for there is no brain there.

[Mikal]

Yes Austin...I know, from your perspective and your way of thinking...all things are made up! However not all are creative writers, many are very realistic and logical and many know what they are experiencing. Again you mention prideful, when in all reality the spiritual is about humility and being humble. When you experience the spiritual and you stay in an "Ivory Tower" one offends the principle that life is to be truly lived and experienced...we are not here as physical beings for nothing....


Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

many know what they are experiencing

So they say that they use "soul" and not the brain part at all, so they say… Sure.

Declaring "soul" and things like the above does not make it so by saying so. They don't see what "brain wires" thoughts and feeling arise from! You must be joking…

What is so difficult about seeing the brain for what it does in us and in other species? We can't be a bag of chemicals? And yet, we are… But we can't be…

That is just human assumption because we don't look like chemicals that you've seen sitting around in a lab.

You cannot show soul or find soul. What the brain can do is well known. Why ignore it and then make things up on top of that, to boot!

You can always tell when and why people ignore discussion of the brain in the threads. It is a kind of blind neglect, for it would be evidence against a soul.

"Pride" as I am using it herein is the thinking of one's self as being so "special"… as to be divinely made; that is the ivory tower of pride.