Is it possible to prove the non-existence of God?

[Profpat]

this may have been the God referred to in this thread
Was He person-like? Or what?

With TRINITY ( Father;Mind--Son;Body--Holy Spirit:Emotion )







Look into the mirror Austin, Through the glass darkly.

[jim barlow]

The "bible" has several tricks to confuse its readers. One is discussing the merits of concepts that are, let's say, bogus. The interest focuses on the merits while the concepts are smuggled in. Knowledge of Good and Evil is such. You focus on the "knowledge", tree, apple, sin what not while the real issue is the nonsense "good and evil" smuggled in as if it had already been posited in some valid fashion. Friends, it has not been. Good and evil are false, non-existent concepts, non words. Erase them from the dictionary. It was self serving lying that put them there.

My favorite lie from the bible is that god(!) made man in his own image. This is at least a double whammy. The "g" part you know already. The "image" made me wander why they risked their credibility further by puffing up the monkey with this nonsense. But if you think about the rest of the book you'll see they had to slip this one in. Sorry dinosaurs!

[Wick]

Hi, Jim.

Easy on the apple. The bible say's nothing about an apple, only about fruit...just for the record. And if there is no good or evil then why worry about the Bible's supposed lie. Just let it alone and stop worrying about it.

Wick

[austintorn@aol.com]

A firm description of crime is defined by human civil laws, such as murder, robbery, kidnapping, etc., these being the most evil crimes.

Aside from these and lessor crimes, there is another class of 'evil' defined by someone's arbitrary concept of good. These come from made up things such as a religion indicating that "God wants" whatever. If one does not do this whatever, then one is 'evil'.

Even at ToeQuest, someone insisted that all ego was to be removed. This concept of good led to the labeling of 'evil' of those opposed, who were then spoken to as such, even called worse names.

Such does the making up of things lead to evil/fighting/wars/nonsense.

We all know that the origin of our universe is not known about, if indeed there even was one.

Those who persist in then making up things anyway take part in the cause of problems surrounding the flawed 'concept of good'.

There are no dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible, for, although they were really a long lived species of hundreds of millions of years, none of their fossil bones had been yet found when the Bible was invented.

[leskey]

There are no dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible, for, although they were really a long lived species of hundreds of millions of years, none of their fossil bones had been yet found when the Bible was invented.

Thanks, Austin.

You have no idea how much you're motivating me to find out about "everything!" Actually, this is what the bible says:

20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

So...while it's not specific in every detail, it is inclusive of "everything." Thanks again, Austin. It really does pay to keep learning, doesn't it?

BTW, isn't it obvious that the Bible is applicable to modern Man? There were no dinosaurs by then...and I couldn't be sure that humans 6000 - 2000 years ago even knew that they'd existed...Do you know?

[Graybeard]

Thanks, Austin. You have no idea how much you're motivating me to find out about "everything!"

I'm glad Austin has motivated you. You've made a good start, not necessarily correct, but not bad for a beginner. ... lol

Its not possible to prove the non-existence of God. Only Scientific theories can be tested for true/false. 'God' theories do not make themselves available for such tests. It is only possible to prove/disprove something by applying the Laws of Physics. God theories stand outside those laws, along with elves and fairies and many other wonderful and magical imaginary beings.

Dinosaurs however, are within the laws of physics, but the bible hasn't much to say about them because Noah complained that he would need a separate Ark for each and every one ... lol

cool bananas ... greg

[Wick]

Thanks, Austin.

You have no idea how much you're motivating me to find out about "everything!" Actually, this is what the bible says:

20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

So...while it's not specific in every detail, it is inclusive of "everything." Thanks again, Austin. It really does pay to keep learning, doesn't it?

Thanks, Leskey, for saying what I was thinking. Critics of the Bible really ought to study the book before they extend too much criticism. The apple thing and the dinosaur thing are just the latest examples of critics suggesting things that simply aren't in the old book. I'm not suggesting the Bible is perfect...only that if we criticize it, we should be on solid ground...maybe even crack it open and see what it really says.

Wick

[Wick]

In Ancient Egypt Pharaoh was the LAW!!

Is God any less.

On the contrary, God is much more than Law. Law has no mind. It is a framework upon which all things hang. In the hands of the obedient, the Law is a great power.

The dance is not greater than the dancer.

Without the dancer, the dance has no expression.

In perfect obedience to Law, God becomes the most eloquant expression of Law. He becomes greater than the Law...but never above the Law.

Wick

[melanie]

He becomes greater than the Law...but never above the Law.

I am the least.


It is the humbly pious, who understand / can decipher the codes of the symbolic / metaphorical non- literal bible literature.

And not just in the bible, but in all the sacred scriptures.

God didn't say it was going to be easy, just that it would be worth it.


http://theology.doxadon.com/sower.htm


"The Art of Life"

Matter, on this plane of existence, is the vehicle for the manifestion of the Soul.

The Soul, on a higher plane of existence (frequency), is the vehicle for the manifestation of the Spirit.

These Three, are a Trinity (the "Tree of Life") synthesized by Life, which pervades them all.


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[austintorn@aol.com]

Leskey,

The Bible is man-made and so it only has man-made wisdom. If they'd known about dinosaurs they probably would have thrown those in with the whales, those being the most massive and memorable monstrosities.

Making things up about the origin of the universe will never amount to more than making things up… plus a lot of trouble amongst the differing maker-uppers.

There are no dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible. (Wick and Leskey: Surely you knew that I knew about the Bible passages…)

How about that the Bible is not only man-made, but that it isn't about what you think it is about (Ask Mikal about the symbolics therein of consciousness evolving).

Seems like the Bible is a big question mark.

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