Is it possible to prove the non-existence of God?

[ggullet]

You are ASSUMING omniscience here, and further that omniscience is somehow limited to sequential time. Why couldn't all possibilities be known and indeed accomplished in multiverses, and where you are at, is the result of your own limited personal choices.

If there is no ending than everything is a beginning.

We are of knowledge yet we seek it. one step forward is a step towards the place left behind.

or as the song goes "every new beginning is another new beginnings end"

[austintorn@aol.com]

Everyone makes things up right and left about God, whole nations following, etc., so why not me [making up].


Everyone thinks that God knows everything, can do anything, and is everywhere, but really, actually, for sure and with no doubt, poor old God was just an advanced alien bumbling along through some carbon-based experiments as a student of biology…

In retrospect we can see that any higher composite Mind had to have been upward of our evolution, comparatively speaking, not something tiny, simple, and non-compositely fundamental.

He’s not really God, but we’ll still call Him that since He created us in a lab experiment.

First, He threw out some debris that became our universe, since He really couldn’t make any original stuff, and being limited to that, had to wait for 13.75 billions years for homo sapiens to appear, then tampered with our DNA to put the final perfect touches upon our human nature, making “Adam and Eve” in a Garden.

Well, old God, not really knowing didly-squat, was mighty darn surprised when his human nature design immediately flubbed when they ate an apple forbidden to them. “Jeeese”, thought God, you tell them not to touch something and that’s the first thing they do.

So He threw them out of the Garden to see if that would help. It didn’t, and God was surprised, but all were fruitful and multiplied into the millions.

God waited around, thinking that surely some more evolution of His new DNA masterpiece would do the trick. It didn’t, surprise, surprise, so God found the best man on earth, Noah and his family, saved him and killed all the rest of humankind. Things would surely improve now, for this was like breeding.

Nothing improved whatsoever, even more folly and wars going on, so a surprised God sent Moses down with the Ten Commandments. This would help and change the masses.

Well, things did change; they got worse, and so God, shocked at this urn of events, sent many plagues of locusts to scare them into shaping up. This did not work and God was astounded.

God sent some prophets, but nothing much changed. Darn,” said God.

God sent Jesus to preach goodness. They crucified him. Wars, stealing, murdering, plundering, and name calling continued unabated, different religions even warring against each other now. This was all really geting out of hand now.

God sent even more prophets, including “Bab”. No effect. Shock and surprise. Earth’s problems got worse; the Nazis almost conquered the world. 11 million died in camps. God, of course, was limited and could do nothing to help.

Finally, God, realizing that his experiment was hopeless, turned in His lab report and soon flunked the course.

(This is a true story handed down from some ancient historians who knew everything.)

[ggullet]

Everyone makes things up right and left about God, whole nations following, etc., so why not me [making up].


Everyone thinks that God knows everything, can do anything, and is everywhere, but really, actually, for sure and with no doubt, poor old God was just an advanced alien bumbling along through some carbon-based experiments as a student of biology…

In retrospect we can see that any higher composite Mind had to have been upward of our evolution, comparatively speaking, not something tiny, simple, and non-compositely fundamental.

He’s not really God, but we’ll still call Him that since He created us in a lab experiment.

First, He threw out some debris that became our universe, since He really couldn’t make any original stuff, and being limited to that, had to wait for 13.75 billions years for homo sapiens to appear, then tampered with our DNA to put the final perfect touches upon our human nature, making “Adam and Eve” in a Garden.

Well, old God, not really knowing didly-squat, was mighty darn surprised when his human nature design immediately flubbed when they ate an apple forbidden to them. “Jeeese”, thought God, you tell them not to touch something and that’s the first thing they do.

So He threw them out of the Garden to see if that would help. It didn’t, and God was surprised, but all were fruitful and multiplied into the millions.

God waited around, thinking that surely some more evolution of His new DNA masterpiece would do the trick. It didn’t, surprise, surprise, so God found the best man on earth, Noah and his family, saved him and killed all the rest of humankind. Things would surely improve now, for this was like breeding.

Nothing improved whatsoever, even more folly and wars going on, so a surprised God sent Moses down with the Ten Commandments. This would help and change the masses.

Well, things did change; they got worse, and so God, shocked at this urn of events, sent many plagues of locusts to scare them into shaping up. This did not work and God was astounded.

God sent some prophets, but nothing much changed. Darn,” said God.

God sent Jesus to preach goodness. They crucified him. Wars, stealing, murdering, plundering, and name calling continued unabated, different religions even warring against each other now. This was all really geting out of hand now.

God sent even more prophets, including “Bab”. No effect. Shock and surprise. Earth’s problems got worse; the Nazis almost conquered the world. 11 million died in camps. God, of course, was limited and could do nothing to help.

Finally, God, realizing that his experiment was hopeless, turned in His lab report and soon flunked the course.

(This is a true story handed down from some ancient historians who knew everything.)

i assume you are part of everyone

[melanie]

If matter can neither be created nor destroyed... then matter has neither a beginning nor an end.

How then, can awareness/consciousness be said to be prior to matter/appearances?

If a solid object, when zoomed in on, is empty space and energy, and its firmness turns out to be an illusion, or a 'relative truth' at best.

Look, where does matter - or anything else- manifest?
Is it not in consciousness?

Does IT really 'matter' (solidify into matter) and what is 'matter' anyway?

Here matter is only known/experienced as sensory input ...(the soul)

In other words, matter-itself is never really known,
only various sensations in consciousness;

and like ripples in water are nothing but water 'sensations in consciousness' are consciousness itself.

In that sense we could indeed say that matter -or consciousness appearing AS matter- has no beginning or end.
Consciousness and the way IT appears as matter:

All there is, is Consciousness.

'Objective appearances' are also available in dreams where it is perhaps easier to see that solidity and fluidity manifest in -and out of- consciousness only.



'' Self or mind is always hiding things from itself.
That's the only way it can exist.
The fact that it doesn't exist is the biggest secret it keeps from itself. ''

[melanie]

Consciousness, is empty, paradoxically it is full of matter,
Forever unchanged, in this conception.
It is here in this timeless presence of the eternal NOW.

Past and future are only ever, illusions of the senses.

There is only ever the immediacy of right here right NOW
nothing else exists...only THIS already perfect eternal presence.

Plop, there it is!
Nothing else than that, which is empty of matter, fills all corners of the universe!
Mountains, rivers, the entire world, you and all, they manifest the body of the One.
(Buddhist verse)


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The imagination of a thing is not that thing. That's obvious.
But imagining a particular thought you've had is not that actual thought, but another one.
So what do ideas about thought mean?
They are thoughts themselves and only the Knowing can understand them, and it does it now, without thinking.
One thought cannot understand all thought, only awareness (the Knowing) can, and does.

We blindly believe that one thought can know about other thoughts,
because this is the lie/dream of existence.




"The world is given to me only once, not one existing and one perceived.
Subject and object are only one.
The barrier between them cannot be said to have broken down
as a result of recent experience in the physical sciences,
for this barrier does not exist. ..."

- Erwin Schrodinger, Quantum Physicist


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All the world's diversity, which derives from the misperceptions of the mind and which appears to be real - is it not the witnessing consciousness alone?
Hence, everything - beginning with liberation and including purity and impurity, joy and misery, that which is and that which is not - is only being being all.
As the experiencing of This eternal being presence you will already know.
Nothing changes, yet it's a new way of understanding which was always there but not admitted to.
You know you're not in control. You know you don't do anything.
You know you're not who you have been habitually insisting to yourself that you are.
It's only a tradition of authority that has told us it's dangerous or frightening to own up, come clean, face facts, and stop pretending.
Excerpted from Robin Dale:

[melanie]

Bible lesson for today

does anybody ever remember being dead ?

That, what is not born cannot die.

Hence the reference to the virgin birth...the meaning therefore was ( SYMBOLIC )


The Universe/mind is a symbol of the Absolute, unfolding to reveal that it is none other than the Absolute in reality.
The Absolute manifests as symbols of itself, which unfold to demonstrate and discover the Absolute.
Universes forming and dissolving thus, are the beating of the Sacred Heart.


'' Understanding is born into mind/world, and birth is painful.
The mind's obsessive need to understand, itself creates a shell which must painfully break.
This is the mind letting go to reveal the heart's knowledge ''

[melanie]

~


The beginningless Absolute
can be called neither being nor nonbeing.
It is both near and far, both within and without every creature;
it moves and is unmoving. In its subtlety it is beyond comprehension.
It is indivisible, yet appears divided in separate creatures.
Know it to be the creator, the preserver, and the destroyer.
Dwelling in every heart, it is beyond darkness.
It is called the light of lights,
the object and goal of knowledge,

and knowledge itself.

[melanie]

~


The beginningless Absolute
can be called neither being nor nonbeing.
It is both near and far, both within and without every creature;
it moves and is unmoving. In its subtlety it is beyond comprehension.
It is indivisible, yet appears divided in separate creatures.
Know it to be the creator, the preserver, and the destroyer.
Dwelling in every heart, it is beyond darkness.
It is called the light of lights,
the object and goal of knowledge,

and knowledge itself.

There is nothing to understand.....TAG 'you' are IT

[austintorn@aol.com]

i assume you are part of everyone

No, all are separate. That is why we must post.

[melanie]

Everyone makes things up right and left about God,

whole nations following, etc., so why not me [making up].

There is an eternal still silent background, the unmoving unchanging pure unconditional screen.

The screen on which all images of god appear and disappear, including this.....


We are the thoughts of god, so yes every-thing has been made up...
including wars, killing, anger, rage, love, joy, peace, beauty, ugliness, etc, etc, the list is endless.

We are thoughts manifest, and when these manifest thoughts, think other thoughts, via the mind brain body organism,
these thoughts are already known, they are re-cognized or re-membered by the brain.
There appears an apparent split, but the split is not real.
Each thought that comes, is known instantly one with the knowing of it...Not made up.
The thought was there in the mind, so since it is there, it must already be known, or it wouldn't be there.
As no-thing that is already is ... can be twice.

All that is happening is the wave appearing out of the ocean of consciousness, is waving back to itself ..

Mans thinking mind is focused on the contents of the external world.
S/he forgets the background of which is nothingness.

(This is a true story handed down from some ancient historians who knew everything.)

No-thing knows anything, it is the already known.