Is it possible to prove the non-existence of God?

[melanie]

Thanks, Austin.

You have no idea how much you're motivating me to find out about "everything!" Actually, this is what the bible says:

20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

So...while it's not specific in every detail, it is inclusive of "everything." Thanks again, Austin. It really does pay to keep learning, doesn't it?

BTW, isn't it obvious that the Bible is applicable to modern Man? There were no dinosaurs by then...and I couldn't be sure that humans 6000 - 2000 years ago even knew that they'd existed...Do you know?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pgNhMlKv4aA


THE SONG OF THE GREAT BLUE

she slowly cracks my bones of stone
then from this lofty seabed wall
piece by piece she lets them fall

fracture pain cannot be hid
all is felt and known
all our end-games bid

who is heating up my core
looking up and out from me

as it liquefies I pour
finally flowing warm and free

drop by drop is dripping me
seeping oh so easily
life-blood kissing every crack

for with the hammer of her love
she has completely crushed
this disobedient stubborn back

and I am sinking deeper now
than ever did before
downward inward right onto
her precious hidden golden door

bidden by the love that holds
the hope I’ve lived forever for

she, the center point of me
she, my wild aquatic beauty

she, all perfection I can see
she, the love I love so purely

inside submerged volcanic fire
that burns us white-hot clean
until we can release
perfumes of eternal peace
ambrosial essence we desire

she is blue waters cooling me
pouring life through all my veins
‘till finally I am pulling free
from all these hells and every chain

my heart I toss upon her sea
to ride upon her now carefree
casting off all binding reins

this the ride for which I’ve trained
is why I’ve broken every spell
just to win her rich caress
high upon the curling crests
of her blessed viridian swells

my pearl my living jade
the opalescent essence
of our thriving ocean world
and the emanating presence
of our healing green

my azure shaded queen
you must know how I mean
through all earth’s seas to glean
for every hint and clue
to the secret entrance to
that tender emerald palace
clearly seen
lying shaded in between
this dark and stinking
world of death
and the pulsing brilliance
of our two
sacred
life-stream dreams



FOOTNOTE:
The Blue Whale is a high elemental, believed sentient by many peoples around the world,
and is the largest animal ever to have existed he is a mystical being,
able to communicate with human minds when he chooses he lives by ancient codes of honor, and wisdoms of caring,
and he is to be protected and revered, at all costs tradition has it that when Earth’s oceans were ready,
the Blue was brought here to hold and guard all the memories of Earth,
and that after the fabled year 2012, he will no long do so.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Still wondering: What are your "Gods", even if only vaguely approximate… What did they do? And why and how and such, as far as you know. Also, if you don't mind, please state if you are making up the description…

Then we will be able to go about disproving.

[austintorn@aol.com]

The new 27 million dollar Creation Museum in Kentucky shows how all the species could fit aboard Noah’s ark. Never mind that some scientists estimate that earth contains 30 to 80 millions species, not to mention those now extinct.

There are dinosaurs aboard this ark since the curators say they were only about the size of sheep. Just like a toy poodle is a dog and a great dane is a dog, a triceratops is a dinosaur and a T-rex is a dinosaur, and so they say that they needed only one KIND of dinosaur—so they saved space on the ark that way.

And, yes, the earth is only 6000 years old, they say. The great flood was 4440 years ago. Enough, you can imagine the rest.

What of the young children who see this museum and fall for it all?

Here is my rendering of one room of the ark:

'Tis amazing what lengths people will go to
to elaborate on a made up story of God's mass killings

[melanie]

Still wondering: What are your "Gods", even if only vaguely approximate…



Then we will be able to go about disproving.

The ''god'' minus the s of ''my'' understanding is thus

During all the years of my earthly life, as a daughter/child of man, I never knew who I was or what my purpose was.

Now in the autumn of my days, I have awakened to the truth of who I really am.
My higher or Spiritual Self has brought a knowing and a maturing, quite beyond the typical "secular wisdom"
we gain in evolution and maturity along this merely physical plane of being, acquired from our immediate and apparent surroundings.

No teacher of the Divine interfered with my self assumed purposes.
I had to uncover/discover it (God) for myself.

Until one day I asked with a penetrating sincerity and discerness, that all important question,
"Who Am I."

The answer, though not immediately forthcoming, startled me Awake

I Am the Sun/son/daughter/child of God.

I Am That I Am and you are too. and "we" are One in That.

_

[melanie]

'Tis amazing what lengths people will go to
to elaborate on a made up story of God's mass killings

Death is an illusion. So is life.

Death & Life are images/impressions/appearances in consciousness.(illusionary to the senses /soul ) (again)

That which is not born, cannot die.


The One who knows this..... He has arisen.

( Christ Cosmic Consciousness )

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[austintorn@aol.com]

Some say that all is illusion and some say that God made real things (although they didn't know about the dinosaurs) so, evidently, someone is making things up…

I'm shocked. How could human mammals make things up? Tell me it isn't so!

[melanie]

How could human mammals make things up?

The same way they made this up.



Cistern Chapel Roma

[Profpat]

Some say that all is illusion and some say that God made real things (although they didn't know about the dinosaurs) so, evidently, someone is making things up…

I'm shocked. How could human mammals make things up? Tell me it isn't so!

Austin didn't you know you are the figment of your own wonderful and beautiful imagination that God has given you.

[melanie]

Some say that all is illusion and some say that God made real things

'' I am the consummate artist I draw upon my Imagination '' Uncle Albert.

Things are both Real and Unreal (Imaginary) Both and yet neither.

Are you absolutely sure ''things'' are real ? or are they a temporal transient appearance / image ?

Is a painting real ?

Is the painting separate from the artist ?

The picture is not the painter. Yet the picture is an expression of the artist. (not separate)

This is a transpersonal experience austin.

Drifter and I know it, do you ? .... it's ok if you don't because only the very few SEE. Many do not.

But it is the ONE SAME SELF seeing and not seeing......No worries.




NETI NETI

net-i net-i

[Profpat]

Not that I believe the fable of the flood or Noah's Ark,
BUT if they knew about DNA prior to the flood ( Atlantis Myth ) Than it wouldn't take up to much room to have a complete zoo, in potential, stored aboard the Ark. ( Just thinking beyond the box or ark )