[Polybius]

Agnostic or Atheist...or maybe theist. Which to choose..I'm probably the most neutral you can get. It's hard to decide what to really believe in since i must admit i don't know. I used to believe in a God but i lost my faith. I became an agnostic and realized no one really knows. Then i contemplated..Why is there a God? Why did people come to realize there has to be something more out there?

Firstly how do you define 'God'? The omnipotent. Most merciful.

What really is a God? He is not an infinite being who created the Earth or Adam and Eve. He does not reside in his kingdom in heaven. So what is God? God is merely a thought. A part of culture. Knowledge. Language. Information. God was created by Man and God's birth date is the day Humans invented the word God. Before our time, millions of years ago, there were dinosaurs. Did the dinosaurs believe in God? Very doubtful. God literally did not exist in those times, not until Humans invented such an idea. There was no need for a God so such a being did not exist. For 13,7 billion years the concept of God did not exist. Not until very recently.

So the fact is that we created God. Does this not prove that he is just a part of our wild imagination?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Polybius Agnostic or Atheist...or maybe theist. Which to choose..I'm probably the most neutral you can get. It's hard to decide what to really believe in since i must admit i don't know. I used to believe in a God but i lost my faith. I became an agnostic and realized no one really knows. Then i contemplated..Why is there a God? Why did people come to realize there has to be something more out there? Firstly how do you define 'God'? The omnipotent. Most merciful. What really is a God? He is not an infinite being who created the Earth or Adam and Eve. He does not reside in his kingdom in heaven. So what is God? God is merely a thought. A part of culture. Knowledge. Language. Information. God was created by Man and God's birth date is the day Humans invented the word God. Before our time, millions of years ago, there were dinosaurs. Did the dinosaurs believe in God? Very doubtful. God literally did not exist in those times, not until Humans invented such an idea. There was no need for a God so such a being did not exist. For 13,7 billion years the concept of God did not exist. Not until very recently. So the fact is that we created God. Does this not prove that he is just a part of our wild imagination?

Thanks Polybius,and welcome to the forum,I remember an argument years ago when some professor "proved" that we are really not here! God is a reality thats exists whether
we know about it or not,that we are here or not here is by its nature irrelevent.

regards michael.

[Polybius]

I would have liked to hear him prove that.

Alright. If we put this another way. If God did exist, it would be in a kind of infinite state. He knows all, sees all, hears all, is all. But if a being is in an infinite state it cannot then think since thought is a process where we reach an idea or conclusion. A being who knows all conclusions, the past the present and future can't think. If God is infinite then he does not want or feel need since he already has infinity. This God wouldn't need to create this world or us Humans. God would have no need for us.

Heres an extract from Robert Green Ingersoll's Why I Am An Agnostic:

"We are told he is infinitely wise. If he is, he does not think. Thought is a ladder - a process by which we reach a conclusion. He who knows all conclusions cannot think. He cannot hope or fear. When knowledge is perfect there can be no passion, no emotion. If God is infinite he does not want. He has all. He who does not want does not act. The infinite must dwell in eternal calm."

[mkirkpatrick]

Polybius,in the last analysis its down to us whether we accept or reject God,you are right
God does not need us,rather as many would say we need God,each of us arrives at our own place of acceptance or rejection,depending on our individual experiences,mine have
lead me to accept the reality of an absolute ONE/being/God,yours however seems to be
quite different.


Some when we are "within" the ocean it is difficult to see the water?



regards michael.

[Polybius]

Well i was brought up in an Islamic country where i was taught about God and Islam in school. I started to believe in it all but as time moved on i started to think for myself (mostly due to the freedom i had at home-i wasn't bombarded with religion or God which is a good thing.As Robert Green Ingersoll said "Our environment is a sculpture") Then i move to a Christian country and figure out that religion is a lie. But then again religion and God are two separate entities. It's really an on/off thing for me. I've come to realize a God, then I come to realize his non-existence. There's always something bringing me back to God but then something else telling me it's not right. I have experienced being Monotheist, experienced being Agnostic and Atheistic. Right now it's just very confusing. I again have always been neutral. I can't say that i know for sure God doesn't exist. But i just have to for some weird reason try and prove it. If i fail I'll know then that it can't be proved and can move on.