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Originally Posted by <<>> true.
But I don't know-although I understand the position of theism in cultural matters-why religions have to affect this good and bad things. The only thing humans really own themselves, and can control completely, is their logic. Logic is what we use for nearly everything. This determinism in what "good" and "bad" are, is what religion does. Theism dogmatises morals and ethics. What you shall do and what you shall not do. Morals and ethics are the practical application to human dillemas/problems of logic. So, religions, by dogma-dogmatising morals and ethics-it is controlling our only free will, taking from us our only real/profound personality. All our personality can be reduced to our logic. If our logic is given by religions, then we don't have "our" logic. So, althopugh religion is supposed to be part of our "personality", culture.... it is actually doing the opposite. Who knows what morals and ethics are correct? nobody.
Here is something to add:
Many say that human is an error of god, I ask them then: don't you think that really god, is an error of humans? |
Very True...
This Statement reminded me of something I read in a book once...
{THREE metamorphoses of the spirit do I designate to you: how the
spirit becometh a camel, the camel a lion, and the lion at last a
child.
Many heavy things are there for the spirit, the strong
load-bearing spirit in which reverence dwelleth: for the heavy and the
heaviest longeth its strength.
What is heavy? so asketh the load-bearing spirit; then kneeleth it
down like the camel, and wanteth to be well laden.
What is the heaviest thing, ye heroes? asketh the load-bearing
spirit, that I may take it upon me and rejoice in my strength.
Is it not this: To humiliate oneself in order to mortify one's
pride? To exhibit one's folly in order to mock at one's wisdom?
Or is it this: To desert our cause when it celebrateth its
triumph? To ascend high mountains to tempt the tempter?
Or is it this: To feed on the acorns and grass of knowledge, and for
the sake of truth to suffer hunger of soul?
Or is it this: To be sick and dismiss comforters, and make friends
of the deaf, who never hear thy requests?
Or is it this: To go into foul water when it is the water of
truth, and not disclaim cold frogs and hot toads?
Or is it this: To love those who despise us, and give one's hand
to the phantom when it is going to frighten us?
All these heaviest things the load-bearing spirit taketh upon
itself: and like the camel, which, when laden, hasteneth into the
wilderness, so hasteneth the spirit into its wilderness.
But in the loneliest wilderness happeneth the second
metamorphosis: here the spirit becometh a lion; freedom will it
capture, and lordship in its own wilderness.
Its last Lord it here seeketh: hostile will it be to him, and to its
last God; for victory will it struggle with the great dragon.
What is the great dragon which the spirit is no longer inclined to
call Lord and God? "Thou-shalt," is the great dragon called. But the
spirit of the lion saith, "I will."
"Thou-shalt," lieth in its path, sparkling with gold- a
scale-covered beast; and on every scale glittereth golden, "Thou
shalt!"
The values of a thousand years glitter on those scales, and thus
speaketh the mightiest of all dragons: "All the values of things-
glitter on me.
All values have already been created, and all created values- do I
represent. Verily, there shall be no 'I will' any more. Thus
speaketh the dragon.
My brethren, wherefore is there need of the lion in the spirit?
Why sufficeth not the beast of burden, which renounceth and is
reverent?
To create new values- that, even the lion cannot yet accomplish: but
to create itself freedom for new creating- that can the might of the
lion do.
To create itself freedom, and give a holy Nay even unto duty: for
that, my brethren, there is need of the lion.
To assume the ride to new values- that is the most formidable
assumption for a load-bearing and reverent spirit. Verily, unto such a
spirit it is preying, and the work of a beast of prey.
As its holiest, it once loved "Thou-shalt": now is it forced to find
illusion and arbitrariness even in the holiest things, that it may
capture freedom from its love: the lion is needed for this capture.
But tell me, my brethren, what the child can do, which even the lion
could not do? Why hath the preying lion still to become a child?
Innocence is the child, and forgetfulness, a new beginning, a
game, a self-rolling wheel, a first movement, a holy Yea.
Aye, for the game of creating, my brethren, there is needed a holy
Yea unto life: its own will, willeth now the spirit; his own world
winneth the world's outcast.
Three metamorphoses of the spirit have I designated to you: how
the spirit became a camel, the camel a lion, and the lion at last a
child.}
- THUS SPAKE ZARATHUSTRA (Friedrich Nietzsche 1891)
What this Excerpt refers to is the effect of Traditional Morals and Religion on cultural and scientific evolution.
I believe this will be a great danger as science gets closer and closer to a TOE, as science makes new discoveries and advances so will it start to explain things that were previously reserved for religious and spiritual matters (ex. a "soul", the mind, Psychology and behavior patterns, physical phenomenon.) and when this happens Religion feels the need to defend its beliefs (Similar to how scientists defend their differing view points) and as Science advances further and further soo too will the "need to defend". This will probably cause some great Culture Shock and may even end in violence (worse case scenario).
These Effects of Science have through history caused Religion and Morals to change greatly. and thut Religion has Gone to great lengths to keep Social and even scientific evolution in check causing them to be like a "Camel, a Beast of Burden" forced to carry Morality and Religious beliefs on their shoulders.
The Pursuit of Science is percieved by many as a seperation from Morals and Religion and a "killing of what makes us human" but it is also a birth of a new humanity and in order for that humanity and Religion to thrive they have to come to terms with each other the "Golden Dragon with the values of a thousand years glittering on it's scales" and the "Child of Innocence, forgetfulness, and a new beginning".
But before that is the "Lion" that will break Science and Culture free of religious and moral chains. (Quite possably Violently).