Primal Principle.

[melanie]

Good thought Melanie, maybe that primordial ball was a seed. I like that.

Best,

Pat

Thanks Pat.

There is the analogy of the balloon, whereby if we draw lots of dots on the balloon, and the dots are to represent the galaxies.
We then blow up the balloon, and as the balloon expands, the dots only appear to move, but they haven't actually moved at all, they've only been stretched.



There's nothing like a good old stretch hey! ...

[Profpat]

Hi Melanie;

I think it's only the space between the dots ( galaxies ), that expand. The galaxies themselves should be subject to localized gravity and contract.

Best,

Pat

P.S. Maybe all the galaxies are shrinking giving the appearence of an expanding universe.

[melanie]

Hi Melanie;

I think it's only the space between the dots ( galaxies ), that expand. The galaxies themselves should be subject to localized gravity and contract.

Best,

Pat

P.S. Maybe all the galaxies are shrinking giving the appearence of an expanding universe.

Maybe it's contracting and expanding simultaneously like the in-breath and out-breath.

Maybe the whole universal entity-body needs to stretch just like we do in order to be efficient.
In the same way we keep our muscles supple.

[leskey]

Was just curious, do you think the universe is still the same size as it was when it was a point smaller than a proton?

I'm thinking of the ''mustard seed'' analogy whereby the large is contained within the small.

And if the universe is expanding .. where is it expanding to?
And what is it that is expanding?

Hi, All.

Mel, are you wondering if it's still that small? IMHO, in terms of the infinite, it must be...I keep coming back to the analogy of the Russian nesting (matryoshka) dolls:

Matryoshkas are used meaphorically, as a design paradigm, known as the "matryoshka principle" or "nested doll principle". It denotes a recognizable relationship of "similar object-within-similar object" that appears in the design of many other natural and man-made objects. Examples include the Matryoshka brain and the Matroska media-container format.

Design paradigms are models, archetypes, or quintessential examples of designed solutions to problems. The term "Design paradigm" is used within the design professions, including architecture, industrial design and engineering design, to indicate an archetypal solution. Thus a Swiss Army Knife is a design paradigm illustrating the concept of a single object that changes configuration to address a number of problems. Design paradigms have been introduced in a number of books...Architect Christopher Alexander's 'A Pattern Language' is thought to have first popularized the term. The book is written as a set of rules that are invoked by circumstances. This is a form that a theoretical mathematician or computer scientist might call a generative grammar.

In theoretical linguistics, generative grammar refers to a particular approach to the study of syntax. A generative grammar of a language attempts to give a set of rules that will correctly predict which combinations of words will form grammatical sentences. In most approaches to generative grammar, the rules will also predict the morphology of a sentence.

Most versions of generative grammar characterize sentences as either grammatically correct (also known as well formed) or not. The rules of a generative grammar typically function as an algorithm to predict grammaticality as a discrete (yes-or-no) result. In this respect, it differs from stochastic grammar which considers grammaticality as a probabilistic variable. However, some work in generative grammar uses stochastic versions of Optimality theory.


Optimality theory is a linguistic model proposing that the observed forms of language arise from the interaction between conflicting constraints. There are three basic components of the theory:

1. GEN generates the list of possible outputs, or candidates,
2. CON provides the criteria, violable constraints, used to decide between candidates, and
3. EVAL chooses the optimal candidate.

Optimality theory assumes that these components are universal. Differences in grammars reflect different rankings of the universal constraint set, CON. Language acquisition can be described as the process of adjusting the ranking of these constraints. Design paradigms can be used either to describe a design solution, or as an approach to design problem solving. Problem solving occurs through a process of abstraction and characterization of design solutions, with subsequent categorization into problem solving types. The approach is akin to the use of metaphor in language; metaphors are used to help explain concepts that are new or unfamiliar, and to bridge between a problem we understand and a problem we don't. Design paradigms then can be seen as higher order metaphors; as the often three-dimensional distillation of a working relationship between parts, between groups of things, between the known and the unknown. In this sense, a bridge is a paradigm of the connection between the known and the unknown, and the functional equivalent of a physical bridge is consequently used in many fields from computer hardware to musical composition.

The design paradigms concept has proven so powerful in traditional fields of design, that it has inspired a branch of computer science, where computational analogies to design paradigms are commonly called design patterns. Importantly however, in design professions the term pattern usually describes a 2-dimensional structure, whereas the term paradigm (or model) usually imply a higher order, having 3 or more dimensions.

An important aspect of design patterns is to identify and document the key ideas that make a good system different from a poor system (which may be a house, a computer program or an object of daily use), and to assist in the design of future systems. The idea expressed in a pattern should be general enough to be applied in very different systems within its context, but still specific enough to give constructive guidance.

The range of situations in which the problems and solutions addressed in a pattern apply is called its context. An important part in each pattern is to describe this context. Examples can further illustrate how the pattern applies to very different situation.

Still, the problems and solutions described in a pattern can vary in their level of abstraction and generality on the one side, and specificity on the other side. In the end this depends on the author's preferences. However, even a very abstract pattern will usually contain examples that are, by nature, absolutely concrete and specific.

Patterns can also vary in how far they are proven in the real world. The patterns in Alexander's book also vary in their level of scale...Alexander sees the low-scale artifacts as constructive elements of the large-scale world, so they can be connected to an hierarchic network.

Genesis 1:3, 6, 9, 14, 20, 24, 26, 29
"And God said..."

Genesis 1: 27
"So God created man in his own image..."

The key may be in the rules which govern pattern language.

[melanie]

Mel, are you wondering if it's still that small? IMHO, in terms of the infinite, it must be...I keep coming back to the analogy of the Russian nesting (matryoshka) dolls:

Thanks leskey for your interest in this thread.

"The Egg of God"
encompasses the (astral / subtle) (physical / gross) eggs, in a way metaphorically analogous to a set of russian dolls
the larger containing the next smaller, which contains the next smaller, and so on.
At a deeper level of reality all things in the universe are infinitely interconnected.
Everything interpenetrates everything else.
The electrons in a carbon atom in the human brain are connected to the subatomic particles
that comprise every other life form, nature is ultimately a seamless web.
The apparent separateness of subatomic particles is illusory.
The conception of all that is is contained within itself just like the russian doll analogy.
That means that all that exists is the unfolding of the whole conception / seed.
And that no-thing is outside of or beyond that of the original seed.
All that is and will ever be is inherent within the seed.
The conception/seed is eternally unchanging(unmanifest) while the permutations of it's creative energy are infinite(manifestations)
Paradoxically the conception that is so observable, is also inconceivable to the observer.
The unknown knowing known is the unknowable mystery, and beyond the normal realms of the 5 senses.
We can't see the whole seed with physical eyes ... we can only see little slices of it.
We might however see the whole seed with spiritual eyes.
Through the silence of contemplative meditation.
Looking at consciousness directly.
We are the seed and the flowering of the seed too.
Both infinitely small and infinitely large simultaneously.

That's the beauty of it all IMHO
The surprises are to be made manifest endlessly,
it's all like one big magical mystery tour for the senses / soul.
The conception is on it's own journey of self-discovery.
Evolution has brought it herenow.
Come alive through conscious sentient beingness.
We are now in a very fortunate state of conscious evolution,
in that we can now make conversions of which states of beingness we would like, just by the choices we choose now.
By that i mean we can choose to know ourselves and choose love over hate happiness over misery etc etc.

~ ~ ~ ~




The Growth of Quantum Physics beyond The Classical Model of Science

Many consider Quantum Physics to be at the cutting edge of Western science and in many respects it goes beyond Einstein's Theory of Relativity. The interesting challenge associated with quantum physics is that the original impetus giving rise to it, namely the pursuit of the elemental building blocks of the Universe (separate elementary particles) has become meaningless with the discovery that the Universe appears to be an undivided Whole in a perpetual state of dynamic flux.

Like Einstein's Theory of Relativity, that latest experiments and associated theories of Quantum Physics reveal the Universe to be a single gigantic field of energy in which matter itself is just a 'slowed down' form of energy. Further, Quantum Physics has postulated that matter/energy does not exist with any certainty in definite places, but rather shows 'tendencies' to exist. [Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle]

Even more intriguing is the notion that the existence of an observer is fundamental to the existence of the Universe -- a concept known as 'The Observer Effect' - implying that the Universe is a product of consciousness, beyond Universe and Supra-Universe are product of the the Super-Consciousness. [The Mind of God concept]

"Through experiments over the past few decades physicists have discovered matter to be completely mutable into other particles or energy and vice-versa and on a subatomic level, matter does not exist with certainty in definite places, but rather shows 'tendencies' to exist. Quantum physics is beginning to realise that the Universe appears to be a dynamic web of interconnected and inseparable energy patterns. If the universe is indeed composed of such a web, there is logically no such thing as a part. This implies we are not separated parts of a whole but rather we are the Whole." [The Hands of Light, Barbara Brennan, American physicist]

[mkirkpatrick]

The first cause was the arising of an idea in the mind of absoluteness,this idea was to become a cosmos a universe infinitely small and infinitely large,the primal principle was life motioned from within potential,the Absolute stirred,and from within this birth of motion consciousness issued forth and became the primal principle,this formed the Ying and Yang where energy played within the consciousness and formed the laws for relative existence.


regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

Born out of absolute potential came "the rider of the will" that which is consciousness/energy,the birthing pangs of motion had begun and a universe was in the unfolding sequence of first "Involution" (the wrapping up of principle within principle) the primal principle being that of "the will to be" then the infolding sequence came to a momentary pause and then the unfolding sequence began as we now know as evolution.

The will to be will not finish its sequence until all the universe is withdrawn again and falls away into obscouration,and once more returns to Absolute potential,until the next breath of course!

[mkirkpatrick]

LIFE is the primal principle,that which is back of all expressions,in all dimensions,LIFE is expressed as energy,consciousness,and light,the trinity unite and permit expression to occur.


regards michael.