Evolution and intelligent design

[Meem]

Is it natural that man seeks his true nature or the natural? Maybe one can confuse their own nature for the natural. There are plenty of unseen things which the effects of are visable. One of the most profound is a thought.

[labelwench]

For all that our species has accomplished, we have yet to learn respect for all beings, for the planet, and for ourselves.

Though we have put men on the moon and sent probes to the far reaches of space, for our kind to comment on the origin of the universe is ludicrous, yet typical of our arrogance.

Words fail me.

We are so small a part of the whole, that such is beyond our current 'comprehension horizon'.

Given our propensity to muck things up, perhaps it would be best if such understanding remains elusive for yet a while longer

[Mohan.C]

If we don't keep pushing, we can never move forward.
Its not arrogance, its hope. We look at unusual places to find hope. And, I do hope someday we'll understand how the universe works. We may destroy ourselves with the knowledge. But, what worth would life be, if we didn't even try?

[labelwench]

If we don't keep pushing, we can never move forward.
Its not arrogance, its hope. We look at unusual places to find hope. And, I do hope someday we'll understand how the universe works. We may destroy ourselves with the knowledge. But, what worth would life be, if we didn't even try?

Perhaps I should restate that.

The arrogance lies in that both science and religion are seeking for the same thing, yet they disparage each other.

Hope would be better served if an alliance were made between the two, IMO.

To answer your last statement, life has it's own intrinsic value, which may or may not include the need to know it's own origin, depending on one's individual perception of the question.

[Graybeard]

The arrogance lies in that both science and religion are seeking for the same thing, yet they disparage each other.

Hope would be better served if an alliance were made between the two, IMO.

Possibly Scientists are arrogant and disparaging, but Science isn't, its just a methodology. Science and religion are not seeking the same thing. Science seeks to understand, what ever form that understanding takes, acceptable to our common sense or not.

Religion presupposes and then holds that all roads lead to Rome whatever path is followed.

The arrogance lies in believing the path has a predicted and premeditated end (Rome). I don't believe there can ever be an alliance between a methodology and a predetermined belief ... because the methodology would be chained to an outcome, and therefore would not be a methodology at all.

cool bananas ... greg

[labelwench]

Possibly Scientists are arrogant and disparaging, but Science isn't, its just a methodology. Science and religion are not seeking the same thing. Science seeks to understand, what ever form that understanding takes, acceptable to our common sense or not.

Religion presupposes and then holds that all roads lead to Rome whatever path is followed.

The arrogance lies in believing the path has a predicted and premeditated end (Rome). I don't believe there can ever be an alliance between a methodology and a predetermined belief ... because the methodology would be chained to an outcome, and therefore would not be a methodology at all.

cool bananas ... greg

No army ever went to war thinking that God wasn't on their side.

Amazing how much motivation there is to be found in something that cannot be proven, or for that matter disproved, no matter the methodology.

My reference was to our origins. I care not where the roads lead or who owns them.

The arrogance is in all who presume to tell another that their perspective is not valid.

We are each, equally entitled to our wrong opinions.....

.....besides which, the issue is far from decided.

Just what is all of the 'space' that lies within each molecule anyway? Most of what we can discern consists of this 'space'.

So? Is it something? Or is it nothing? It certainly is tying up a lot of real estate.

And, in my opinion, finding the answer to that question will answer the first one.

We shall eventually find that which has been our inspiration.

Perhaps we shall have to call it by another name,.........

[dleviwing]

Is it natural that man seeks his true nature or the natural? Maybe one can confuse their own nature for the natural. There are plenty of unseen things which the effects of are visable. One of the most profound is a thought.

If you wish to discard and ignore all reason and all logic then you can justify intelligent design. Though we have no knowledge, as yet, of time before the BB event, this does not justify saying "a god did it".

BTW: without a brain (a physical organ) "thought" cannot exist; you are providing an excelent example of evidence of that fact!
INTELLIGENT DESIGN DOES NOT BELONG IN A SCIENCE FORUM.

[labelwench]

I believe this is a unified thread?

If it is in the wrong forum, then wouldn't a moderator suggest to the thread owner where best to post it?

Or is the thought that only 'Real Science' (and not some of the armchair variety that has been observed throughout the entire forum), should be on this forum?

That question could be directed to the Forum Owner and perhaps all who post here shall require academic credentials.

Pretty small club already. That could make it really exclusive.

[dleviwing]

I believe this is a unified thread?

If it is in the wrong forum, then wouldn't a moderator suggest to the thread owner where best to post it?

Or is the thought that only 'Real Science' (and not some of the armchair variety that has been observed throughout the entire forum), should be on this forum?

That question could be directed to the Forum Owner and perhaps all who post here shall require academic credentials.

Pretty small club already. That could make it really exclusive.

Sorry labelwench but this is a PHYSICS forum and there is already a forum dedicated to "INTELLIGENT DESIGN". The moderator should have moved this thread to the proper forum since the author is unable to distinguish the difference between science and BS.

[labelwench]

Your information is helpful.

Your presentation is unbecoming and disrespectful to the author of this thread.

My observation has been that many who come to this forum do not linger.

I wonder why?