Evolution and intelligent design

[Meem]

Patatoe patotoe, let's call the whole thing off. I could refer to not following the rules, or plugging my finger into a holy damn ...
But I was under the impression if the universe was not here, nor would the earth be. I could pretend that was case, but I don't think that puts a healthy perspective on things. But anyways, no need.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The arrogance lies in believing the path has a predicted and premeditated end (Rome). I don't believe there can ever be an alliance between a methodology and a predetermined belief ... because the methodology would be chained to an outcome, and therefore would not be a methodology at all.
cool bananas ... greg

Hey Greg, you wouldn't want to eliminate the power predictions of scientific modal logics, now would you?__possibility, probability and necessity? They just happen to be required in all quantum, inflation and standard model maths, to allow physics to see anything. Often, the future is required to be peered into to find the real scientific answers. Those scientific methodologies, we absolutely need...

Also Greg, if Americans hadn't believed in our founding fathers' ideas that the path has a predicted and premeditated end (Rome), as per her goals of universal liberty__Where would the world be today...? That's just an example of our founding fathers using the scientific method of perceptronic(futures') modal logic...

Imo, liberty is a fine methodology of law to be chained to, as I can see no improvement above our cherished freedoms within liberty__for the considerable forseeable future__can you...?

[Graybeard]

Hey Greg, you wouldn't want to eliminate the power predictions of scientific modal logics, now would you?__

possibility, probability and necessity?

Hi Lloyd .... I don't think I have .... these are the three parameters of Natural Selection and are a given within that nomenclature..... ?

cool bananas ... greg

[Graybeard]

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Spirit > Intelligent-design > Unified Discussion > Evolution and Intelligent Design

Graybeard: Mod

[austintorn@aol.com]

Epitaph for a Thread

Evolution anywhere could start as soon as there was a place,
Which probably wasn’t there at the very start of the universe.

Life on other planets is indeed probable;
Perhaps a microbe from one landed on Earth.

Evolution clashes with the Designer for many reasons,
One of which is that it doesn’t require the Designer,
For it happens via climate, weather, and the environment,
With only death as the chooser
Of the pointed from the pointless.

It was a design without a designer,
And thus it took a very long time,
Much longer than a week.

It also shows the opposite of the immutable forms
That are claimed by the Bible;

Not that the Bible has any credibility,
For it also got cosmology wrong,
As well as having no revelations about the future
That a human could not have possibly known.

So it is that if the Bible gets the natural wrong
It can hardly be depended on for the supernatural.

Yet, a clash remains over what was written in the Bible,
Which is no wonder since it was written by man,
Differing from what was actually found to be the case.

The Old Testament was of some old Jewish legends
Of the many gods amalgamated and rolled into one.

The fundamentalists couldn’t stray from the literal,
Making the Earth but a few thousands years old,
But some astute Christians realized the folly,
Knowing that without the Bible all would be lost;

So they merely declared and pronounced
That the Book for the common man,
Written in plain language,
As had long been advertised,
Was now full of secret symbols
That only the experts could decipher!

The Bible had risen from its own ashes.

(As might this thread someday.)

[Mikal]

I don’t know why you rail about the Bible; it is a complete waste of energy because one of the things we cannot change is anything that structures itself in History. The Bible is structured in History containing age-old wisdom. You can berate it and even demean it but you cannot take away from it, the meaning people derive from it just as you cannot make it disappear from History.

When God is a personal god, devoid of an external Teacher, devoid of a church, a religion and a fixed, established dogma it is a situation holding the Transcendent possibility because it is the possibility to hold a moment of grace with a part of God.

Science has no idea of personal, individual evolution nor do they understand the effect of evolution on any individual.
One of the references to evolution in the Bible states….

“He, who increases his wisdom, increases his sorrow.”
Ecclesiastes, the Old Testament.

It is a reference to the canalization of psychic energy which finds its source in psychic pain..

The historical Jesus referenced evolution in his parable…

“It is easier to go through the eye of a needle than it is to pass through the gate of heaven. (Mind)”

No psychic pain….no gain!

Regards Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

I don’t know why you rail about the Bible;

You have read why.


it is a complete waste of energy because one of the things we cannot change is anything that structures itself in History.

There is no trace of Moses having led 625,000 people through the desert for 40 years. Some other tribal histories may be so, but they are just that. The rest of the Old Testament is imagined myth, about God or gods make into one, as always.


“He, who increases his wisdom, increases his sorrow.”

Better not read ToeQuest.

[Mikal]

Moses in the structure of History was a Kabalistic Master who practiced esoteric arts and learned from the Egyptians.

In the Bible, Moses is structured into the concept of 40 just as the historical Christ is structured into the concept of 40. These are clear symbolic references to psychological processes in the psyche, periods of trial and ordeal in psychic activity. The “wilderness” is places in consciousness not normally experienced. The “flood” is releases of pent-up emotions where the mind (Psyche) canalizes psychic energy to enlarge consciousness.

4 systems imply the order-seeking psyche but 40 systems imply the completion of the psyche. 4 relates to the structure of the psyche whereas 40 relates to the inter-connectedness of the psyche with universal order.


Austin writes poetry, he scripts it therefore leaving it in a history structure that tells us he was here. Will we say also that Austin was a myth???


Regards Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

'40'.

Oh, brother!

Writers are real and not myth, but some of Austin's poems are about myth, such as 'Elfin Legends', but are stated as so.

The real writers of the Bible, humans, wrote myth and tried to pass it off as fact.

So, I guess Moses didn't really receive the ten commandments.

[Mikal]

The ancient writers were real and not myth.

They never wrote myth, they were applying meaning to psycholigical processes, psychic activity inside the mind and states of consciousness that imply gaining value from within yourself rather than outside of yourself.

I can not understand for you Austin. You have to take your own inner valuation journey....

The 10 Commandments are also structured into History. They too have a deeper meaning only derived intuitively and cognitively...


Regards Mikal