Science—religion at war—the battle for a stable world-view

[Mikal]

It's okay Drift, just leave it as it is. Lots of links there for me to read as I am always looking for good info.


Regards Mikal

[Drifter]

The Origin of the Species:

Non-Darwinian FACT.

In 1994, in southeastern Turkey, a Kurdish
shepherd discovered the remains of one of
the most astonishing archeological finds
of our times, called Göbekli Tepe.

Radio-carbon dating of the structures at
this site suggest they are between 11,000
and 12,000 years old.

This would be 8,000 years before Stonehenge
and the Egyptian pyramids were built!

Video:
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/page/4897.html

[G_burnett]

There is a lot of stability theory about ...... Vincent Wee Foo's vortices, Graham's whirlpools, Galaxy's revolutions, Black Hole horizons ....

Everything points to a whirlpool being held in existence (hyper-stable) while all round it chaos flows past ... a whirlpool forms by different entropic conditions being separated by a boundary ... the boundary requires a greater energy input than it releases in order to maintain stabilty ..

A whirlpool has no material existence .. between any two moments all its matter (water) has passed thru and changed, and it is constantly importing and exporting energy.

A bit like an axe that, during its life, has had 3 new heads and 4 new handles, only in a whirlpool this happens every moment ... lol

A whirlpool is just a place where entropy is tenuously maintained by gathering slightly more energy than it is losing. Life is no different to this ? Life just maintains a slightly higher entropy than its environment.


greg

good reading my friends please comment .. http://www.yeatsvision.com/Geometry.html

[Mikal]

Thanks for the link G. I have been studying it and hesitate to comment on it just yet.

Take care of those two broken arms, making an effort to post in that shape is certainly admirable my friend....smiles...


Kind regards Mikal

[Mikal]

LARGE CHANGES REQUIRED BY THEORY OF EVOLUTION—APE TO HUMAN???

To go from knuckle walking to bipedal:


Restructuring of inner ear bones
Spinal cord opening relocated
Restructuring of the rib cage
Spine curvature
Body musculature must change
Pelvis must be reshaped
Altering of lower limbs
Joint surfaces must be enlarged
Foot must be restructured


Chimpanzees have 10% more DNA than humans, they have more alpha-hemoglobin genes, more Rh bloodgroup genes and fewer Alu repeats in their genome than humans. The tips of their chromosomes contain DNA not present at the tips of human chromosomes.
Humans possess 46 chromosomes and chimpanzees possess 48 chromosomes.


http://www.apologeticspress.org/apco...9&article=1038

This hurdle of differing numbers of chromosomes may appear trivial, but we must remember that chromosomes contain genes, which themselves are composed of DNA spirals. If the blueprint of DNA locked inside the chromosomes codes for only 46 chromosomes, then how can evolution account for the loss of two entire chromosomes? The task of DNA is to continually reproduce itself. If we infer that this change in chromosome number occurred through evolution, then we are asserting that the DNA locked in the original number of chromosomes did not do its job correctly or efficiently. Considering that each chromosome carries a number of genes, losing chromosomes does not make sense physiologically, and probably would prove deadly for new species. No respectable biologist would suggest that by removing one (or more) chromosomes, a new species likely would be produced. To remove even one chromosome would potentially remove the DNA codes for millions of vital body factors. Eldon Gardner summed it up as follows: “Chromosome number is probably more constant, however, than any other single morphological characteristic that is available for species identification” (1968, p. 211). To put it another way, humans always have had 46 chromosomes, whereas chimps always have had 48.



The lower primate would have to lose the glycoproteins on the surface of every cell, that contain the sugar molecule called sialic acid because this sugar is not present in any cell in the human body.
((From http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~jonmarks/aaa/ marksaaa99.htm and
from http://www.fromlondon.freeserve.co.uk /cuchimpdna.html)


80% of the proteins in the human and lower primate genomes are different. Proteins are ultimately responsible for an organism’s anatomical, physiological and behavioral characteristics. This difference would have to be bridged?????


(Reference: Galina Glazko, Vamsi Veeramachaneni, Masatoshi Nei and Wojciech Makalowski, "Eighty Percent of Proteins are Different between Humans and Chimpanzees," Gene volume 346 14 February 2005, Pages 215-219)


The Ear:
Language is a critical difference between lower primate and human. The planum temporale in left-brain would have to change. Chimpanzees and apes’ ears are relatively insensitive to the frequencies from two kHz up to four kHz, a region that contains relevant acoustic information in spoken language. Their ears are strongly attuned to sounds peaking at one kHz or eight kHz—This would have to change.


(12:19 22 June 04 NewScientist.com news service http://www.newscientist.com/news/pri...?id=ns99996053 )

Concerning the ear, the shape of the inner ear canal is related to form of locomotion. Lower primates do not have the right kind of inner ear canal for bipedality.



Eyes:

Humans have a widely exposed white sclera (white of the eye) surrounding the darker colored iris whereas lower primates have dark coloration of exposed sclera. The former in humans determines the discerning of gaze direction and extending the visual field especially in horizontal direction. The latter determines adaptation to camouflage gaze direction against predators. Ration of exposed sclera would have to change, there would have to be loss of pigmentation in eye sclera.
(From: http://www.saga-jp.org/coe_abst/ kobayashi.htm)


Brain size and function is different between human and lower primates. As the primate brain size increases it would have to stop increasing the depth and number of creases and convolutions. Genes involved in human brain development would have to appear and undergo hyper-fast evolution to produce a larger brain with advanced cognitive capacities. The cranium bones would have to change and expand disrupting suture lines in the cranium. Bony plates would have to refuse; junctions between bones would have to change along with connective fibrous tissues.


In the words of one of the investigators involved with the work, "To accomplish so much in so little evolutionary time…requires a selective process that is perhaps categorically different from the typical processes of acquiring new biological traits." This type of rapid and extensive genetic change makes little sense from an evolutionary perspective, given the deleterious effects of most mutations and the extensive complexity and integration of the biological systems that make up the human brain. If anything, this hyper-fast evolution should be catastrophic."
(Reference: Steve Dorus et al., "Accelerated Evolution of Nervous System Genes in the Origin of Homo sapiens," Cell 119 (2004): 1027-40)

[Mikal]

Part 2

Structural changes to the feet would involve an elaborate plantar aponeurosos, strong plantar ligaments, longitudinal arches, an enlarged musculus flexor accessories, a remolded calcaneocuboid joint, a long tarsus, reorganization of the neuronal innervation and blood vascularization, an adducted (non-opposable) hallux and shortening of the toes.
(Journal of American Podiatric Medical Association)


Dental Elements:

How teeth project from the tooth row would have to change. Diastemas, or gaps in the tooth row would have to change because humans lack large Diastema. The transverse plane that passes through anterior teeth would have to change because incisors in chimpanzees are positioned well forward of this plane. Human dental arcade is parabolic or elliptical whereas in primate it is U-shaped.


Vertebral Column:

The lower primates in the genus of ape family would have to lose a thoracic vertebra and somehow gain one more lumbar vertebra and one more caudal vertebra. They would also have to gain extreme curves in the spinal column and undergo massive change in the angle between lumbar and sacral region.


Thorax:

The lower primate would have to lose their one extra rib. The entire rib cage would have to become broader in depth, the thorax would have to become less funnel-shaped and the ribs change from a somewhat rounder shape.


Pectoral Girdle:

The proportions of the primate scapula and attachment surfaces and lever arms for muscles would have to change to ensure arm strength and powerful movement.




Arm Bone:

The lower primate would have to undergo massive change in the disappearance of the lateral supracondylar ridge, the lateral epicondyle and lateral margin of the plecranon fossa. Radius and ulna would have to lose its curve and radiocarpal joint surface would have to change. These changes would be in relative proportion.


Long Bones:

Changes would have to involve the intermembral index=humerus+radius-femur+tibia, humerofemoral index-femur, brachial index-humerus and crural index=femur.


The femur would have to lengthen and develop an elevated pilaster that supports the linea aspera down the shaft. The angles of the head, shaft and condyles would have to change because the load axis in the chimpanzee femur never intersects the shaft in a chimpanzee femur. Femoral condyles of the chimp would have to enlarge and become more elliptical. Articular surface of the femur and mid-shaft circumference would have to enlarge; femur and tibia would have to lengthen. The proximal tibia would have to enlarge to achieve more support by the shaft and the condyles would have to become less convex.


The Hand:

The chimpanzee hand is notably different from the human hand in relative length of digits. Changes would have to occur where the thumb lengths, in all insertion areas for flexor tendons and the transverse ridges across metacarpals. Limits to dorsiflexion would have to change.


Pelvic Girdle:

Changes would be important to movements from quadripedal to bipedal upright posture. Form of pelvis would have to change; width of the iliac blade would have to enlarge from narrow and high to broad and low. The iliac pillar from the iliac tubercle to the acetabulum would have to thicken and get larger. The head of the femur would have to enlarge. There would have to be the forming of a larger auricular surface, the forming of a greater sciatic notch and the ape sacrum would have to change from long and narrow. There would have to be re-fusion of bones as the form of the pelvic girdle concerns birth canal and carrying fetus.


Skeletal Maturation:

Changes would involve the endochondral process of cartilage gradually replaced with bone, centers of ossification in cartilage that gradually enlarge to form bone, cartilage plates and intramembranous bones formed from membranes.

Note# Please read Part 1


Kind regards Mikal

[Graybeard]

Yesssss ...... I read ? and the point iz ??

Let me guess ..... way to complex and therefore monkeys are not related to humans ?

But Possum .... we and the monkeys came from a mouse .... In order to detail that change you would need the entire forum ... and yet it happened.

I prefer to read facts not bones!!

Kind regards Mikal

But then you posted this

Restructuring of inner ear bones
Spinal cord opening relocated
Restructuring of the rib cage
Spine curvature
Body musculature must change
Pelvis must be reshaped
Altering of lower limbs
Joint surfaces must be enlarged
Foot must be restructured

Bones and Fossils are Facts ... what else could they be ? If you find a bone you find a fact .... Dem bones, Dem bones, gunna walk around ..... Now here da word of da Lord.

cool bananas pretty one ..... greg

[Mikal]

Yesssss ...... I read ? and the point iz ??

Let me guess ..... way to complex and therefore monkeys are not related to humans ?

But Possum .... we and the monkeys came from a mouse .... In order to detail that change you would need the entire forum ... and yet it happened.



But then you posted this




Bones and Fossils are Facts ... what else could they be ? If you find a bone you find a fact .... Dem bones, Dem bones, gunna walk around ..... Now here da word of da Lord.

cool bananas pretty one ..... greg

You can read bones and be highly skilled at exaggeration or you can read ABOUT bones. I prefer the latter….

Muchas gracias my friend…

Kind regards Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

Berger and his collaborators based their conclusions on A. sediba's distinctive amalgam of primitive and derived traits. Features such as its small brain, small body, and very long arms link the creature to the australopithecines, especially A. africanus, whom A. sediba resembles in details of the face and teeth. Yet the new species also exhibits a number of characteristics seen only in Homo, including its flatter face, robust pelvis and long, striding legs. Similarities to H. erectus in particular, according to the team, are evident in details of the skull and pelvis.

[melanie]

LARGE CHANGES REQUIRED BY THEORY OF EVOLUTION—APE TO HUMAN???

I'm intrigued - is human a distant cousin of ape or not Mikal..... if it isn't, then how did human evolve /came to be on earth?

Or Did human evolve from something else, or did one day human just suddenly appear on earth as one whole human structure ?

Like this image for example > > > >