[enton]

Originally Posted by <<>> Well, of cours,e here we come into having to define what a "religion" is, and what makes a religion to be an independent religion or just a subset of a mayor one. Now, probably is true, as it appears that you know much about the bible, that in james 1:27 of the bible it says there is only one christian religion. But also in the Harry Potter books it says that there is a complete magical world of which we are nto aware of. But does this mean that I shoul dbelieve it? Should I go around believing that some of the people with whom I talk, are actually wizards and whiches, and could destroy me in planck's time? NO. At least, for a logical, rational and analytical mind which is mine, I can't. And anyway, things change. What was writen in that book was written 2000 years ago. And then, the christian religion was still very small, it hadn't began to grow. When things grow, because of it's magnitude, they devide into parts. And so it happens that the way in which spanish catholic chrsitians believe in god can differ a really a lot with the way in which north-american protestans do.

It's up to you whether you believe or not!!!

Originally Posted by <<>> What!? But it's YOU who are assuming what you've learned is true. Since I became atheist I am waiting for someone to make me believe. This is what I do in every subject. You can ask the rest of the forums, dleviwing, antoniolao, subversion.....any, and they will all agree that I have no strict doctrines on my knowledges or beliefs: Yesterday I could say that the mind doesn' exist, today I might defend that the body exists because the mind, and tomorrow I will be saying that neither exists.

My truth may not be your truth. And I am not assuming but basing my truths in the Bible. Whether you conform me or not, my obligation is to spread the truths in the Bible in the scientific way.

Originally Posted by <<>> Give me a logical argumentation for this, and then we can start a proper discussion. I myself give logical argumentations for my claims.{

In hebrew, truth is "
529 'emuwn ay-moon' from 539; established, i.e. (figuratively) trusty; also (abstractly) trustworthiness:--faith(-ful), truth. 543 'amen aw-mane' from 539; sure; abstract, faithfulness; adverb, truly:--Amen, so be it, truth. 571 'emeth eh'-meth contracted from 539; stability; (figuratively) certainty, truth, trustworthiness:--assured(-ly), establishment, faithful, right, sure, true (-ly, -th), verity. 3321 ytseb yets-abe' (Aramaic) corresponding to 3320; to be firm; hence, to speak surely:--truth. 5229 nkochah nek-o-khaw' feminine of 5228; properly, straightforwardness, i.e. (figuratively) integrity, or (concretely) a truth:--equity, right (thing), uprightness.

In greek, truth is "225. aletheia al-ay'-thi-a from 227; truth:--true, X truly, truth, verity. 2783. kerux kay'-roox from 2784; a herald, i.e. of divine truth (especially of the gospel):--preacher. 3483. nai nahee a primary particle of strong affirmation; yes:--even so, surely, truth, verily, yea, yes. 3689. ontos on'-toce adverb of the oblique cases of 5607; really:--certainly, clean, indeed, of a truth, verily.

Do you know why I say God is truth and not idea? An idea (Greek: ιδέα) is a specific concept which arises in the mind of a person as a result of thought. The term arises in both popular and philosophical terminology. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idea ).

In hebrew language, God is "430 'elohiym el-o-heem' plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:--angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty."

When we talk about God the Creator, he cannot lie. His words are truth. And what is one of the words of God in the Bible? I Samuel 2:35 says "And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever." And what did the Anointed One promise? Luke 21:13-15 says And it shall turn to you for a testimony. Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist."

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by enton It's up to you whether you believe or not!!! My truth may not be your truth. And I am not assuming but basing my truths in the Bible. Whether you conform me or not, my obligation is to spread the truths in the Bible in the scientific way. In hebrew, truth is " 529 'emuwn ay-moon' from 539; established, i.e. (figuratively) trusty; also (abstractly) trustworthiness:--faith(-ful), truth. 543 'amen aw-mane' from 539; sure; abstract, faithfulness; adverb, truly:--Amen, so be it, truth. 571 'emeth eh'-meth contracted from 539; stability; (figuratively) certainty, truth, trustworthiness:--assured(-ly), establishment, faithful, right, sure, true (-ly, -th), verity. 3321 ytseb yets-abe' (Aramaic) corresponding to 3320; to be firm; hence, to speak surely:--truth. 5229 nkochah nek-o-khaw' feminine of 5228; properly, straightforwardness, i.e. (figuratively) integrity, or (concretely) a truth:--equity, right (thing), uprightness. In greek, truth is "225. aletheia al-ay'-thi-a from 227; truth:--true, X truly, truth, verity. 2783. kerux kay'-roox from 2784; a herald, i.e. of divine truth (especially of the gospel):--preacher. 3483. nai nahee a primary particle of strong affirmation; yes:--even so, surely, truth, verily, yea, yes. 3689. ontos on'-toce adverb of the oblique cases of 5607; really:--certainly, clean, indeed, of a truth, verily. Do you know why I say God is truth and not idea? An idea (Greek: ιδέα) is a specific concept which arises in the mind of a person as a result of thought. The term arises in both popular and philosophical terminology. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idea ). In hebrew language, God is "430 'elohiym el-o-heem' plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:--angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty." When we talk about God the Creator, he cannot lie. His words are truth. And what is one of the words of God in the Bible? I Samuel 2:35 says "And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever." And what did the Anointed One promise? Luke 21:13-15 says And it shall turn to you for a testimony. Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist."

What do you say,Enton!
kind regards michael.

[enton]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick What do you say,Enton! kind regards michael.

What else but accepting truths, whether temporal, irrelevant and trivial, but most preferably, I do consider with great attention and emphasis truths which have something to do with life beyond life.