[enton]

God is love. God is a consuming fire. The God of the Bible is a Jealous God. This God we acknowledged as the Creator is a merciful and faithful God. He is a Spirit.

Existing things, visible and invisible, are His. He created His angels, cherubs and seraphs. But one fell because of pride in the name of Lucifer who became Satan, the one who did not abide in the truth (John 8:44).

The God of heavens and earth is the LORD. He dwells in holiness. But where is His voice? Of course based on the Bible, the Lord`s voice is in the waters.

Now how can one meet the God of gods when He is a Spirit biblically speaking?

Not to meet the God who is the Creator of heavens and earth does not mean there is no God because it doesn`t follow logically speaking. And not to hear from Him doesn`t mean there is no God.

A man who has breath is a human being but if he has no breath anymore then that man is a corpse ( a mere dead flesh). There is no way that a human being speaks without first hearing someone speaking other than he himself.

Eternally speaking, the Word was already there in the bosom of the Cause of the all life.

[Mr. Nobody]

Intelligence and consciousness, a property of matter when given enough time, emerged to organize and slow entropy. In doing that, matter has become aware of an end to life, thought and its partitioned existence. These matter units evolved with self preservation and created this concept of a benelovent God and afterlife in order to continue the path of ever increasing complexity and local order. Consciousness an accidental side effect of emergence may not be the only way of organizing matter to its ultimate goal
We are part of energy, partaking in the evolution of this cosmos in neverending macro-cycles of transformations.

[mkirkpatrick]

The word was life and the word became INFORMED to be formed from within,that form was thought expressed into matter and informed of the spirit.and so there was the principle within the principle,outrolling of the intention of the one,then there was a momentary pause,and then involution,gave way to evolution,and that where we come in today,we are all informed of the one mind,the God of our mis-understading!The truth is that when you look at your neighbour you are looking at the manifestation of the one
so if you are wise you will be kind to your neighbour,you never know who is watching?


kind regards michael.

[Guille]

god is objective. god is love. God is good. god is infinite. God is eternal. god is omnipotent. god is omniknowledgeable. god is absolute. god is everything. And, most importantly, god is perfect. And, for god being all of these, he doesn't exist.

[enton]

Originally Posted by <<>> god is objective. god is love. God is good. god is infinite. God is eternal. god is omnipotent. god is omniknowledgeable. god is absolute. god is everything. And, most importantly, god is perfect. And, for god being all of these, he doesn't exist.

Are you just theorizing?

But I understand one's thoughts here because this forum is about theory of everything. Besides, anyone who are normal people may imagine what God is. For sure, your were right when you said "God is love" if that's what you meant.This God of love biblically speaking, is a God of peace, God of truth and God of mercy. But you have made a biblical flaw when you said "God is omnipotent" if you meant in its real meaning since the Holy Scriptures introduce Gods (true Gods, false gods/idols, god of this world who is satan{the former Lucifer}, and the belly{stomach literally}). God is not omniscient too nor He is omnipresent, biblically speaking.

I advice you personally that you be able to read books comparatively balanced. But I am sure that it is personally of God's choice to let people like you who reads this post notice Him although He is a Spirit.

[Guille]

See, such things as claiming that I am the biast but all you aren't are what takes points out of you in favor of me.


First, the properties that I gave to the concept, and yes, concept, because if he is only that, a concept that exists inthe mind, until you all prove the opposite, and the onyl thing he is apart from a concept, is a hypothesis, so I let you choose. Now, the properties that I gave god are universal properties, that I have concluded that he should have, if he is truelly what god the concept stands for. Now, if you tell me that biblically speaking god isn't omniscient or omnipresent, I have two things to say to you: 1. the grand mayority of the believers in your religion disagree with you, and 2. I know this poitns is hard to accept for you christians, but, your religion, is NOT the only one that exists. There are hundreds or thousands of religions. The number is so big that we have to start defining what can enter in the set of "religions".

Second, I have read the bible. I went to a religious christian school when i was small. And then is where I saw the stupidity of the human mind, who is capable of creating bad things from good ideas. Jesus was not only inteligent but also smart for life, so he managed to create a system of morality and ethics, based on the idea of a god, and he was a very good orator, so he managed to gain many followers. He was, indeed, the first comunist of who we know about. And I's strange, because now the christian religions is the maximum representation of extreme capitalism. But of ocurse, opposites are equal. So it's just like Hitler, who was very near to Stalin in what they did, but very far politically.

[enton]

Originally Posted by <<>> See, such things as claiming that I am the biast but all you aren't are what takes points out of you in favor of me. First, the properties that I gave to the concept, and yes, concept, because if he is only that, a concept that exists inthe mind, until you all prove the opposite, and the onyl thing he is apart from a concept, is a hypothesis, so I let you choose. Now, the properties that I gave god are universal properties, that I have concluded that he should have, if he is truelly what god the concept stands for. Now, if you tell me that biblically speaking god isn't omniscient or omnipresent, I have two things to say to you: 1. the grand mayority of the believers in your religion disagree with you, and 2. I know this poitns is hard to accept for you christians, but, your religion, is NOT the only one that exists. There are hundreds or thousands of religions. The number is so big that we have to start defining what can enter in the set of "religions". Second, I have read the bible. I went to a religious christian school when i was small. And then is where I saw the stupidity of the human mind, who is capable of creating bad things from good ideas. Jesus was not only inteligent but also smart for life, so he managed to create a system of morality and ethics, based on the idea of a god, and he was a very good orator, so he managed to gain many followers. He was, indeed, the first comunist of who we know about. And I's strange, because now the christian religions is the maximum representation of extreme capitalism. But of ocurse, opposites are equal. So it's just like Hitler, who was very near to Stalin in what they did, but very far politically.

What you've studied is not really a christian school! Maybe, it's just a Bible school. And there are no christian religions, because there is only one christian religion and that is what you can read in James 1:27 of the Bible. True, there are many religions (Islam, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Catholicism, Mormonism, Hinduism etc). You cannot generalize the thing by just assuming what you've specifically met or learned. God is not an idea but truth. The goodness of this Spirit (that is, the Invisible God) is seen by the things we sensibly perceive. Anyway, you can't realize an awe without first knowing the goodness of a thing.

[Mr. Nobody]

True existence is so much greater than what your mind relates to your God, described in man-made books as a petty, jealous, vindictive and vain deity in need of constant admiration and worship.
Christianity specifically and religion in general have lost their significance. Mankind, intelligent matter, is part of the original energy. We are God. We have developped senses that serve us well to preserve order, but fail to comprehend the obvious implication of eternal existence for existence sake. There is no judgment of your life nor actions other than your own conscense, a conscence evolved as a social survival tool when man climbed down from the trees and founded humanity.

[Guille]

Mr.Nobody,

I agree with you. But I thin it's worthless and meaningless to say the word god, when we can just say "nature", or "everything". Everything is perfect because nothing is perfect. Everything is infinite because nothing is infinite. And ti goes like that in all the god properties. It's not that it directly has the properties, but that, in logical terms: A if not B. Not A if B. Not B. Thus, A.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by enton What you've studied is not really a christian school! Maybe, it's just a Bible school. And there are no christian religions, because there is only one christian religion and that is what you can read in James 1:27 of the Bible.

Well, of cours,e here we come into having to define what a "religion" is, and what makes a religion to be an independent religion or just a subset of a mayor one. Now, probably is true, as it appears that you know much about the bible, that in james 1:27 of the bible it says there is only one christian religion. But also in the Harry Potter books it says that there is a complete magical world of which we are nto aware of. But does this mean that I shoul dbelieve it? Should I go around believing that some of the people with whom I talk, are actually wizards and whiches, and could destroy me in planck's time? NO. At least, for a logical, rational and analytical mind which is mine, I can't. And anyway, things change. What was writen in that book was written 2000 years ago. And then, the christian religion was still very small, it hadn't began to grow. When things grow, because of it's magnitude, they devide into parts. And so it happens that the way in which spanish catholic chrsitians believe in god can differ a really a lot with the way in which north-american protestans do.

Originally Posted by enton True, there are many religions (Islam, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Catholicism, Mormonism, Hinduism etc). You cannot generalize the thing by just assuming what you've specifically met or learned.

What!? But it's YOU who are assuming what you've learned is true. Since I became atheist I am waiting for someone to make me believe. This is what I do in every subject. You can ask the rest of the forums, dleviwing, antoniolao, subversion.....any, and they will all agree that I have no strict doctrines on my knowledges or beliefs: Yesterday I could say that the mind doesn' exist, today I might defend that the body exists because the mind, and tomorrow I will be saying that neither exists.

Originally Posted by enton God is not an idea but truth.

Give me a logical argumentation for this, and then we can start a proper discussion. I myself give logical argumentations for my claims.

Originally Posted by enton The goodness of this Spirit (that is, the Invisible God) is seen by the things we sensibly perceive.

Another logical argumentation requiered.

Originally Posted by enton Anyway, you can't realize an awe without first knowing the goodness of a thing.

This isn't completely true, but kind of. And yes, I have seen the goodness of god, of religion. I believed in it all.

I can see, I'm not blinded anymore b that light which is so bright upon those, those who, for the fact that they cannot see, cannot think, and for the fact that they are blind, will never be able to walk through the correct door.