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11-19-2005, 11:43 AM
I see; You are right and the rest of the world is wrong. Enjoy your illusions D44, but don't try to prey upon others to feed them.

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I see; You are right and the rest of the world is wrong. Enjoy your illusions D44, but don't try to prey upon others to feed them.

Just as I thought, you have nothing to say to anyone. Even your response is of a destructive nature rather than accepting you owe a lot of people an apology. Anyone can grab a hammer and destroy things. Try to learn to build things instead of destroying them.
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11-19-2005, 08:42 PM
Some comments

First, let me offer a late welcome to david44 for joining the website. I'm glad you joined us and are willing to share and discuss your ideas.

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Finding a way to get a person to see past their beliefs is the biggest struggle I know of. If you have a secret potion let me know.
I'm in complete agreement with this comment. I touch a little bit on this in the Biology / Psychology forums but have plans to re-organize these forums to better address problems associated with how our beliefs and other mental influences can keep us from viewing reality in an objective way. Excellent point.

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As long as a person wants to hang onto the limitations of the past, they will never be able to move forward. It was only after I understood this did I leave everything else behind to find something new.
Another good point. Sometimes we hang on to past modes of thought because it seems more safe and secure. I do believe that we will need to break into a new thought paradigm before understanding the TOE. One way of moving forward is to look at anomolies and, rather than discarding them, take them as a hint that our current theories are not yet complete. This is documented quite well in Thomas S. Kuhn's book, "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions". Should be required reading for all ToeQuest Members.

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If you truly do have the solution to TOE then it should be simple, simplistic. If most will fail to understand then I would argue that there must be something wrong. A true answer, the concept will not be hard to understand to anyone. There must be a simple paridigm of the basic mechanism of it all that everyone can understand.
Due to biological/evolutionary limitations of our brain, what the TOE describes about reality could be beyond our understanding. Like describing smell to someone who never developed a sense of smell. The faculties are simply not there to process/understand what smell is. I don't believe this to be the case, but thought I'd throw it out there.

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Did you join this forum to debate your ideas or just point everyone to your website when they ask you a question? Most of us have websites, do you want to see mine? I wise man, no matter how sure he is of himself and his conclusions, knows he could possibly be wrong. And myself personally have learned more by being wrong than I ever did being right.
The longer term ToeQuest members have seen many people come and go from this website who claim to have a "Theory of Everything". Many have been very vocal about it and become quite defensive when questioned. In fact, a former member refused to give any details because he thought someone would steal his idea and win the nobel prize. So when someone new comes to the forums and says, "I have a theory of everything", it will naturally be meet with some doubt. At least initially. But I'm glad david44 has a theory and is interested in discussing it.
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Yes I came to this website to hear about other peoples ideas and to share mine. However, when someone asks me a question, I don't feel I have the right to bring pages of my website to this forum. That would not only be unethical, it would probably annoy quite a lot of people.
I don't mind references to member's websites as long as the member is active in the forums and open to discussing their theories. Otherwise, its becomes SPAM which we all hate.

One more comment... I'd like to remind members that frank discussion is appropriate and even encouraged when respectfully done; however, personal insults are never appropriate at ToeQuest, as they suppress the open sharing of thoughts and ideas and don't advance us in our quest.

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First, let me offer a late welcome to david44 for joining the website. I'm glad you joined us and are willing to share and discuss your ideas.

Another good point. Sometimes we hang on to past modes of thought because it seems more safe and secure. I do believe that we will need to break into a new thought paradigm before understanding the TOE. One way of moving forward is to look at anomolies and, rather than discarding them, take them as a hint that our current theories are not yet complete.

The longer term ToeQuest members have seen many people come and go from this website who claim to have a "Theory of Everything". Many have been very vocal about it and become quite defensive when questioned. In fact, a former member refused to give any details because he thought someone would steal his idea and win the nobel prize. So when someone new comes to the forums and says, "I have a theory of everything", it will naturally be meet with some doubt. At least initially. But I'm glad david44 has a theory and is interested in discussing it.

I don't mind references to member's websites as long as the member is active in the forums and open to discussing their theories. Otherwise, its becomes SPAM which we all hate.

One more comment... I'd like to remind members that frank discussion is appropriate and even encouraged when respectfully done; however, personal insults are never appropriate at ToeQuest, as they suppress the open sharing of thoughts and ideas and don't advance us in our quest.

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Thanks for the welcome Robert,

It is quite encouraging to hear your point of view on these things.

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I'm in complete agreement with this comment. I touch a little bit on this in the Biology / Psychology forums but have plans to re-organize these forums to better address problems associated with how our beliefs and other mental influences can keep us from viewing reality in an objective way. Excellent point.
Are you saying here that you do have some pointers to help get people to see past their beliefs in the Biology / Psychology forums or are you still looking?

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I'm in complete agreement with this comment. I touch a little bit on this in the Biology / Psychology forums but have plans to re-organize these forums to better address problems associated with how our beliefs and other mental influences can keep us from viewing reality in an objective way. Excellent point.
Are you saying here that you do have some pointers to help get people to see past their beliefs in the Biology / Psychology forums or are you still looking?
In the Biology / Psychology Category I have an "Illusions" forum that was meant for members to discuss biological limitations or mental blocks that prevent us from seeing objective reality. The whole category is due for a re-organization. I want to focus on how a persons mind can be manipulated via culture, religion, various group memberships (e.g. cults), the media, and how we can recognize and overcome these influences. Also, the effects of brain damage and how the resulting disorders effect ones view of reality. And how evolution has affected brain development over the eons, and how this could limit us today. As I commented in the "What study should be the basis for the TOE" poll, I choose biology because if its ability to limit us and cloud our vision by limited beliefs, evolution, etc.

I'll be opening these forums with a detailed introduction including references for more information. If you have some pointers to help get people to see past their beliefs you might start a thread in the illusions forum. If you have any good links to this kind of information let me know and I'll be sure to include them in the forum intro.
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In the Biology / Psychology Category I have an "Illusions" forum that was meant for members to discuss biological limitations or mental blocks that prevent us from seeing objective reality. The whole category is due for a re-organization. I want to focus on how a persons mind can be manipulated via culture, religion, various group memberships (e.g. cults), the media, and how we can recognize and overcome these influences. Also, the effects of brain damage and how the resulting disorders effect ones view of reality. And how evolution has affected brain development over the eons, and how this could limit us today. As I commented in the "What study should be the basis for the TOE" poll, I choose biology because if its ability to limit us and cloud our vision by limited beliefs, evolution, etc.

I'll be opening these forums with a detailed introduction including references for more information. If you have some pointers to help get people to see past their beliefs you might start a thread in the illusions forum. If you have any good links to this kind of information let me know and I'll be sure to include them in the forum intro.

Yes Robert I will do my best to make a contribution here and as soon as I can get a chance to put some pointers together I will let you know.

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