there is no toe

[beyond_ur_imagination]

its a soul trying to figure out wut dos my existense mean ...wheather it means something or not!!.
in he search of understanding abou the universe or wutever i is i found an interesting fact . the moment i develop a theory it has to have boundary...or els its not at all defined. the very moment i put a boundary i define not only the theory describing a system(ofcourse) but i also define its surroundings. that way there is always an escape to every theory .... and its really demoralizing to feel there is NO theory of everything!!!
now return back to the world of darkness ... there u may find the light of wisdom...who knows!!!

[Guille]

Toe is not finding what existence mean, that is philosophy. It's of course obviosu that we can't know and predict absolutelly everything in the universe, but at least what the TOE is about is explaning the fundamental things of nature: Matter, Energy, Forces and Dimensions. And the interactions and phenomena between them.

[beyond_ur_imagination]

the thinker.

i understand it very well that the aim of TOE is to understand the forces , matter , dimensions and interactions. what i was trying to say is in the universe everything exists basically as infinity...one can reduce any system to infinite subsystems. the only way to understand or better define an infinity is just by comaprying it with other infinity ...the way we measure the length of a stick!
we would always need to add something more to our present theory as by the very nature of our brain that works purely on logic...it cannot produce an output that cannot actually exist in the universe(if u like u can site me an example of a system thought by your or someone else's brain that cannot exist). so as long as human species exists and evolves in intelligence we would always keep adding to our theories because since we are evolving means we hav not yet had hold on that infinity with which we would make a comparision!!!

[Guille]

the thinker.

i understand it very well that the aim of TOE is to understand the forces , matter , dimensions and interactions. what i was trying to say is in the universe everything exists basically as infinity...one can reduce any system to infinite subsystems. the only way to understand or better define an infinity is just by comaprying it with other infinity ...the way we measure the length of a stick!
we would always need to add something more to our present theory as by the very nature of our brain that works purely on logic...it cannot produce an output that cannot actually exist in the universe(if u like u can site me an example of a system thought by your or someone else's brain that cannot exist). so as long as human species exists and evolves in intelligence we would always keep adding to our theories because since we are evolving means we hav not yet had hold on that infinity with which we would make a comparision!!!

Infinity does not exist. There is nothing infinite. Is my table infinite? No, neither in time (in which case it would be called eternal) or in space. Zeno's paradoxes prove how absurd it is to believe in infinite divisibility of something.

[subversion]

the moment i develop a theory it has to have boundary...or els its not at all defined.

but what if the very definition of the theory is that it has no boundary?

It's of course obviosu that we can't know and predict absolutelly everything in the universe

Actually, given an eternity, everything will happen. Therefore if you take into consideration all of time you can predict that everything will happen inevitably. Hence in a very technical sense you CAN predict absolutely everything. Everything is the one thing that you can count on

that' just my 2 cents anyway

[Guille]

but what if the very definition of the theory is that it has no boundary?



Actually, given an eternity, everything will happen. Therefore if you take into consideration all of time you can predict that everything will happen inevitably. Hence in a very technical sense you CAN predict absolutely everything. Everything is the one thing that you can predict/count on.

that' just my 2 cents anyway

This logic is the classical fallacious derivation which is the cause of so many wrong ideas in science, philosophy, and religion.

The whole paragraph is based upon the idea that time is eternal, and this is not true. The idea of eternity was created by the though that because the end and the start don't exist in time, then there must be no of them... But they do exist, as concepts representing the start and end of existence.

And anyway, you are not predicting anything by saying that everything will happen, for you ahve not determined where, when and what will happen. Each event is independent, and must be predicted as separate entity. If you don't, you count everything is entity, and you fall in the error of all religions.

[baudrunner]

If sonething that has a beginning continues for ever is it infinite? What is the scope of infinity?

[Guille]

If sonething that has a beginning continues for ever is it infinite? What is the scope of infinity?

That's the problem: infinity has no size. So the infinity which does have a start but not an end, is equally long to that that has no start or end.

[subversion]

This logic is the classical fallacious derivation which is the cause of so many wrong ideas in science, philosophy, and religion.

The whole paragraph is based upon the idea that time is eternal, and this is not true. The idea of eternity was created by the though that because the end and the start don't exist in time, then there must be no of them... But they do exist, as concepts representing the start and end of existence.

And anyway, you are not predicting anything by saying that everything will happen, for you ahve not determined where, when and what will happen. Each event is independent, and must be predicted as separate entity. If you don't, you count everything is entity, and you fall in the error of all religions.

Good argument. I would say however that the beginning of time to the end of time is defined as eternity. Eternity just means all of time. Therefore just because time is eternal, does not mean it cannot have a beginning and an end. In order to be eternal, it must be fully comprised, which you could interpret to mean that it must have a sort of "beginning" and "end."

And to answer your question, I am indeed predicting something by predicting everything. So in that sense you're wrong. In fact, I'm predicting everything. So that is my prediction, everything. There is no possible way to falsify this prediction because it is inherently true simply according to the definition of the word everything. When will it happen? Everytime. Where will it happen? Everywhere. What will happen? Everything. It's dubious but it's true and it proves that everything is technically and absolutely predictable. I know it's cheap, but it's true. Hey, the theory of everything is gonna be the same way so you might as well get used to it. ha ha

[baudrunner]

That's the problem: infinity has no size. So the infinity which does have a start but not an end, is equally long to that that has no start or end.

But some kind of crazy logic tells me that an infinity which has no beginning and no end is twice as long as one that does have a beginning and no end, like the number line that includes negative and positive numbers versus the number line that includes only positive numbers.

(Don't get p***d off, I'm just playing)