[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by <<<GUILLE>>>

Here come the problems. You've given the questions that proof that MEFD is not only part of theretic physics but also of philosophy. But we must forget all these questions, we must forget the question whether the universe is determined, so we can forget about if MEFD is the origin or the decision maker, cause it is stupid to ask those questions (I don't call you stupid, I call stupid the questions). MEFD is simply the conceptualized and set-ed view of the universe (or the cosmos). Everything that exists, everything that existence is, is MEFD. And I've said many times that MEFD is not a TOE, so it doesn't explain life or the origin of consciousness... But it is the conceptual simplification. There is no ether, no void, no vortex, no souls, no spectrum (apart from light, of course)... It is closed, it doesn't allow anything that is not matter, energy, force, space, time. It may seem that then it is a stupid theory that is obvious, but many many many members int his forum add different entities in the explanation of the universe.

Sorry Guille, I may be an atheist, but I have a soul that lives in the ether...

regards

[Guille]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

Sorry Guille, I may be an atheist, but I have a soul that lives in the ether...

regards

The fact that you believe that you have a soul doesn't make the believe to become fact. You always speak about the truth and the necessariness of logic to explain the universe, and there is no logic in souls.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by <<<GUILLE>>>

The fact that you believe that you have a soul doesn't make the believe to become fact. You always speak about the truth and the necessariness of logic to explain the universe, and there is no logic in souls.

How do you know about soul if you think you don't have one Guille? Doesn't that disqualify you from the idea? How deep is the absolute singularity of pure logic? Have you been there? What's truly there? As you say "there is no logic in souls", as soul is simply the intuitive space idea of no logic or no thoughts, just pure intuitive space beyond all knowledge - the infinite absolute singularity of space/matter/mind/wave/intuition/premonition/em/electro mental waves/soul, etc... Whatever we all choose to call it___let's all just stop argueing about what we are all imagining... Dave's absolute fundamentals still come the closest, as a way of possibly uniting us all in this area...

"The smurfs are chasing the gremlins. Who's "gonna" win the race?" me

regards

p.s.
Logical or not___No being alive can stop my logic from having a soul! My deffinition of soul Guille is just having the ability to choose the good, the true, and the just as I define it...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

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p.s.
None of us knows possitively that the universe is expanding[matter could be shrinking or the universe shrinking while matter expands elswhere to us - we have no way to be positive - it could be doing both at once - the no stationary observer problem], it's just the evidence seems to point in that direction... I believe it is expanding due to the birth of new galaxies all throughout infinite space, as pbs has more recently shown and provided actual gathered evidence of, and I think this due to the two forces set in play of explosions, and heating from a near absolute zero temp to a much warmer condition. I do not necessarily believe in the one singularity big-bang. I believe in a many bangs scenario... Realize this is only my theory until proven further by evidence...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by subversion

ps. but how can you be so sure that nobody knows the theory of everything? You don't KNOW that do you?

Sub, there is a running million dollar prize for such answers, called the Nobel. Randy the magician also has a standing offer of one million for such answers. There was a French foundation who offered the million for over 15 years. Another foundation in America is offering a million dollars to anyone who can answer any number of math's and physics really difficult questions, i.e., P=NP. Just look up P=NP in wikipedia and you will find all the other math and physics million dollar offers, and confirmation of Randy and the French connection...

Sub, no-one has collected, so it's quite obvious no-one knows...I don't think anyone will throw away a million dollars, especially since the major foundation in America is offering a million for something like ten or more different solutions... Now, do you think anyone would pass up ten million? I hardly think so...

regards

[Guille]

Lloyd, I have a few comments about your reply:

1. Beliefs and truth. You ask me how I know about the soul if I don't have one. Easy. I know about unicorns, but I don't have one. I know about gods, but I don't have one. I know about moral dogmas, but I don't have one. I know about other similar excrements, but I don't have them. It doesn't disqualify me of the idea, in fact, how do you know your particular view of the soul is correct, true? You don't, you can't, you won't, and probably you are not willing to discover about it, cause you are scared that might find out that you are wrong.

2. Logic and emotions. There is no absolute singularity of anything, and there is nothing 'pure' whiles dealing with knowledge. Logic can't be handled objectivelly, it doesn't even exist objectivelly. There is no real, objective and absolute truth, as I said. You make a total gap between logic and emotions, as if this could ever be possible. All thinking process has a logic, even if this logic is ilogicity, and all thinking process requiers decisions, and all mental decisions (which is what you call soul) are made by emotions. Thus, there is infinite spiral connectivity amongst logic and emotions. Also, thoughts are not beyond feelings and feelings are not beyond thoughts. Order and chaos, as the Greeks believed, evolved out of the same thing, and caused creation, life, and existence.

3. The problem of terminology. The problem is that, even if we accept that each of us has a definition of what we are talkin about, and a term, there will never be an encompassing concept which will embrace them all. This is due to the simple reason that the views about this thought are contradictory amongst them, for example one may say that it physically exists and one may say that it doesn't. How is Dave or anyone going to find any encompassing universal concept for them all? Maybe what we need is not a unification, cause this woudl be abstract. And my theory enters here. Instead of abuning, we should anunite. I mean, instead of abstracting all these views, we should make analogies. Of matchment and dismatchment. We can still keep our diffferences, within peace; be constructing from the diversity, make laws from the things themselves. Instead of what you say which is making it one absolute same thing. What do you think?

4. Your definition of soul. Being alive doesn't requier a mind, which is my name (I guess) for your soul. Trees are alive, and they don't have a mind, nor do ants... You must agree on this. Unless of course, you believe in Pierre Teilhard de Chardin's theology? In which case, all that has physis has psico, and turn around the Omega point (god) for completion. We are alive even if we don't have souls. Can we choose? This is a classical metaphysical question, and thus we have gone over it with posmodernity, with postestructuralism. Now, what comes next? What comes after the going over of metaphysics? I'll talk about that questions and related ones in the thread I'll start about Anun and related.

[subversion]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

Sub, there is a running million dollar prize for such answers, called the Nobel. Randy the magician also has a standing offer of one million for such answers. There was a French foundation who offered the million for over 15 years. Another foundation in America is offering a million dollars to anyone who can answer any number of math's and physics really difficult questions, i.e., P=NP. Just look up P=NP in wikipedia and you will find all the other math and physics million dollar offers, and confirmation of Randy and the French connection...

Sub, no-one has collected, so it's quite obvious no-one knows...I don't think anyone will throw away a million dollars, especially since the major foundation in America is offering a million for something like ten or more different solutions... Now, do you think anyone would pass up ten million? I hardly think so...

regards

I happen to think that some people in this world are more concerned with other things besides something as shallow as money. In fact, I happen to believe that anybody who realizes the theory of everything would be of particularly strong integrity, would have particularly strong principles, and would be much more concerned with things like "how much can mankind appreciate everything?" then he would be with petty monetary greed or personal indulgance. In fact, if the first person to realize the TOE, possibly me, ever does accept the many cash prizes being offered for it, I think the only respectable thing for him to do would be to burn all of it, and wage a war against false value, the scourge of money. The realizer of the theory of everything would be the type of person to believe that everything is free, as it is, and thus money is absolutely worthless, except to those who are easily deceived.

So in conclusion, the fact that the cash prizes have not been claimed does not in any way prove that somebody has not discovered the TOE. All it proves is that if somebody has discovered the TOE, it's obviously more important to them than money. I mean think about it, to somebody who has the theory of everything, how could you possibly entice them with money? Afterall, the theory of everything has more value than a million billion trillion dollars! 10 million dollars is as nothing compared to the value of the TOE. THerefore the TOE can not be bought, and it's realizer can not be bribed. ANybody who himself realizes the theory of everything will also realize it's value cannot be equated in dollar signs. THat is why he is prone to keep it a secret, when people are acting greedy, because somebody else may not appreciate it as much. Somebody else who doesn't understand will want to "sell" it for 1 million dollars, thus depreciating it's value, and perhaps spoiling humanity. There is only one thing that the realizer of the TOE will want in exchange for his theory: a human race that is worthwhile

If you would like, I can explain to you what would make a human race worthwhile..... Or you can continue believing that one million dollars guarantees that the realizer of the TOE will sell out

haa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, greedy minds lack so much vision

[subversion]

Originally Posted by <<<GUILLE>>>

there will never be an encompassing concept which will embrace them all.

but what about the concept of everything?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by subversion

but what about the concept of everything?

we all
have concepts Sub,and they are about everything?Chill out bro!



kind regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by subversion

haa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, greedy minds lack so much vision

"Money can't buy love___but it sure can by me a cadillac to ride around and look for it..."
"Age and trickery will always overcome youth and skill." me
"In the battles of the heart and mind, you will lose more times, if on the side of the heart. Just a cold hard fact." me

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