[kirian]

I've joined this Forum in hopes that I can discover more about how the mind creates Reality. What little I know about Quantum Physics leads me to believe that this is the way to uncover more about this.
Kiri

[force5]

Originally Posted by kirian I've joined this Forum in hopes that I can discover more about how the mind creates Reality. What little I know about Quantum Physics leads me to believe that this is the way to uncover more about this. Kiri

Hi Kiri; Welcome aboard.

Why do you think the answer might be at the Quamtum level rather than chemistry or biology? What do you think about pre-determinism versus free will?

I have some ideas about brain function, but they are more related to Psychology and evolution.

Some of my thoughts;

1. Reality is in the mind of the beholder.
2. Reality is ones interpertation of past events.
3. Genetics and experience determines ones ability to preceive reality.
4. Ones reality is a work in progress.
5. The mine/body is in a constant process of evolution.

I know this doesn't answer your question, but, I have to think about it some more. It's a real tuffy.

Regards...John

[kirian]

Originally Posted by force5 Hi Kiri; Welcome aboard. Why do you think the answer might be at the Quamtum level rather than chemistry or biology? What do you think about pre-determinism versus free will? I have some ideas about brain function, but they are more related to Psychology and evolution. Some of my thoughts; 1. Reality is in the mind of the beholder. 2. Reality is ones interpertation of past events. 3. Genetics and experience determines ones ability to preceive reality. 4. Ones reality is a work in progress. 5. The mine/body is in a constant process of evolution. I know this doesn't answer your question, but, I have to think about it some more. It's a real tuffy. Regards...John

Hi John, Had to ponder a while. I view Quantum Physics as a way to discover more about energy (which I believe everything is)
This is a planet of opposites, so , if everything works in tandem ie we know up because there's down, therefore predeterminism and free will both exist

As to your thoughts! I would add the word perception to one and two. Eg One's perception of reality is in the mind of the beholder. To genetics and experiece I would add nutrition /health. I think there is something of everything in everything. I agree that one's reality changes every second. and the mind/body is a constant process of evolution as is everything else.
As you will note I am very much a layperson and don't add science into my quest. I'm very right brained and highly intuitive.
Have you read any of the Seth Material?
Enjoyed your thinking. It prods mine.
Kiri

[force5]

Hi Kiri;

We apparently have a few things in common. I to view everything as energy (at the fundamental level). I question the likelyhood that both pre-determinism and free will could co-exist. As to perception, one and two would not be possible without it. INHO, nutrition and health exist on another level, along with many other factors.

I to am very right brained and highly intuitive. Of course, intuition is based on ones experiences and genetics. I also worked in the Health Care field for a while.

My thoughts on Quantum Physics is that it is a very good "analogy" of reality. I spent alot of years reviewing both QM and GR before deciding to take a different approach to understanding everything. Once I modified my basic thinking and looked more at the fundamentals, it all started to come togather.

John

P.S......I lived in Virginia back in the late 1930's.

[kirian]

Hi John, I agree with what you said. However I take belief to another point i.e if enough people believe in an idea then it is created. Given that, surely determinism and free will can co-exist. Any thoughts on that?
P.s. I live 60 miles south of Roanoke.
Kiri

[force5]

Hi Kiri;

I also agree with what you say. "belief" AKA faith is a very acceptable idea that has made a very worth while contribution to society for many centuries. As a young boy (age 10), I began doing research on "why" there were so many different beliefs/fates throughout the world. I came to the conclusion that it's best for each individual to establish their own personal guidelines for how to conduct themselves through lifes journey. My personal quest for truth eventually led me to the sciences in hopes of finding the answers to some very complex subjects.

I must admit that I'm not completly satisfied with my results, since the answers conflict with many things that I learned as a young boy. Put another way, in some cases, the old saying "ignorance is bliss" proved to be valid. At least in my case.

INHO, although I'm convienced that free will is just a great idea, I would never try to convert anyone to my way of thinking. I have stated a number of times at various forums that "one sould be careful what they look for, they just might find it". Anyway, I have alot of spare time these days and enjoy meeting interesting people on the internet. Although I have successfully completed all of my personal objectives in finding the answers I "thought" I was looking for, I don't have any desire to publish this stuff. I don't wish to be the bearer of bad news.

P.S. We lived in Portsmouth Va. until my father passed in 1940. Then we moved back to Savannah Ga. my mothers home.
John

[hanzoganz]

An unanswerable question so far -in a Wittgenstein`s sense- treated by Gregory Bateson: The reality, what we see, is the map or the territory? In other words, do we see the world as it is or we create it when we see it (John Wheeler agrees on this last one)?

More on Bateson at edge
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/bate...n04_index.html

cheers

Omar Rojas
orojas@gmail.com

[kirian]

As WE are a creating Reality, what you 'see' may be different from what I see, therefore there are humpty million different realties but, as in a hologram, each one is a replica of ythe whole.

Kiri

[kirian]

Hi John, Again, we agree. I have attempted to explain to my Christian daughter that her beliefs are simply that, not necessarily true for me. I've stopped trying to convince her that Christianity is not the only way. Each to one's own. Don't you think that results unfold as our perceptions grow? What bad news would you share? That we are doing a good jjob of creating the world situation? Kiri

[force5]

Hi Kiri;

First off, I believe that there is only one reality. But, our individual preception of that reality can differ greatly.

On behalf of the kids, I have tried to allow them to search for their own reality. So far, none of them (4) have found much time to do anything other than deal with day to day existence. I guess they don't have the need to search for truth as I have for most of my life.

In answer to your question;
Don't you think that results unfold as our perceptions grow?

Yes, but, if ones perception deviates to far from reality, the end result is much less predictable.

What bad news?

First of all, I would love to believe that a spirit world exist. But, I can no longer buy into this idea. IMHO, we are simply a product of our enviorment. The enviorment created us and it will destroy us, along with everything else it creates and destroys.

John