Introduction

[Pramod Desai]

I am an amateur science buff though I am a graduate in Chemistry. It is my eternal regret not to have studied higher maths as over the years I have come to regard it as a mother of all sciences. I really do not belong to this august group dealing with TOE but I am curious to know and understand as much as my limited background and intelligence would permit me to.

I have another curiosity. I understand the frontiers of Physics now are tentalizingly close to metaphysics. I am an atheist but by birth I am Hindu. All my life, as is the case with every religion, I have encountered assertions that our ancient scriptures, especially Vedas, had anticipated and even gone beyond the present state of the scientific knowledge. Objectively, I of course do not accept this. But the voteries of the above assertion have acquired a fresh impetus due to the frontier of the science increasingly becoming metaphysical.

I would like to assess for myself this contention. I am incapable of contributing to exceptionally esoteric subject of TOE. But I would like to understand the present and the developing thoughts on the subject.

I wish some authority on the Vedas who would also be a top rate physicist/mathematician would shorten this search for TOE.

If I have gate-crashed into an exclusive club without the right credentials, I beg to be forgiven and excused.


Pramod Desai

[Robert]

Hello Pramod,

You are very welcome in the ToeQuest community and have not gate-crashed at all. Although we do have some very knowledgeable and capable members, most of us are just like you, persons who are curious and want to learn more about the TOE. I believe we do have some members with a Hindu background who might help you out. I recommend that you stay active in the forums, ask questions or make comments, but don't worry about intruding on anyone's exclusive turf. You're part of the community now and I welcome you.

Regards,
--Robert

[Pramod Desai]

Dear Robert,

Thanks a lot for putting me at ease. There is a Sanskrit saying to the effect that in an assembly of learned scholars, a dumb can sit only as long as he holds his tongue. I percieve myself, at least at the moment, to be in the position of that dumb. I have only questions in mind and virtually nothing worth contributing. I will also try to locate the book Parallel Worlds by Machi Kaku and see if I can afford to buy it. So it may be some time before I can even articulate questions sensibly, after overcoming my ignorence and diffidence. Hope this is fine with the group.

Thanks and regards.

Pramod

[yogi]

Hi Pramod,
welcome to TOE. I did read your short biography, i myself had been there. Let me reassure you that you have come to a right place. If you hang out here, all your doubts and questions would be answered. Vedas are basically
"karma kaand" (i do feel that english is not a good language to explain vedic philosophy, but i assume you would grasp the sanskrit behind my comments).
True knowledge is in "Bhagavatam" and "Bhagavad Gita" both of these are translated and commented in english by A.C. Bhakativedanta - Srila Prabhupada.All of this relates to TOE. I shall conclude this comment with sanskrit verse--- " sa vidya ya vimukataye" True knowledge Liberates (makes you free of any doubts and dualities).

sincerely,
yogi

[Pramod Desai]

Dear Yogi

Thanks for your note. I have a tremendous mental block when it comes to assertions that the world has no objective reality and it is all our illusion, very much like the ones we have in the dream state. I am put off by such assertions and therefore fail to explore and perhaps appreciate this line of thought. My curiosity is at what and stage and how the knower will know that he is now beyond the final layer of these illusions and is now face to face with the ultimate reality. Will it not be the conundrum like "a set of all sets"?

I have tremendous intuitive respect for Mr.Havel's advice "to befriend the seekers of truth rather than the ones who have found it". What is the present stand of the science and/or philosophy - is the final truth knowable?

More doubts later.

Regards.

Pramod

[yogi]

I have tremendous intuitive respect for Mr.Havel's advice "to befriend the seekers of truth rather than the ones who have found it". What is the present stand of the science and/or philosophy - is the final truth knowable?
More doubts later.
Regards.
Pramod

Hi Pramod,

The "Final Trurh" is Known to us, but we don't know that because we canot recognize or perceive it. We do not know What? How? WHY? of " Final truth" , some one has to point that to us and therefore---" to befriend the seekers of truth". ( in hindu tradition they are called -Bhakta- to me they are topmost scientist).

sincerely,
yogi

[Pramod Desai]

Dear Yogi, I have two problems. Firstly, what I fail to recognize or perceive is of no use to me. (Even though the loss is mine and due to my limitations.) Secondly, I am unable to take leaps of faith. I look forward to words of advice from other kind souls too. Thanks and regards. Pramod

[Elohim]

Dear pramod,
I read your interactions with robert and yogi with considerable interest. I am elohim and am a new member. I find your background very similar to mine. I too am no math buff or a theoretical physicict. But this should not deter us from trying to search for the theory of the ultimate reality.

[purveyor of knowledge]

Dear Pramod Desai,

Welcome to the board. My name is Purveyor of Knowledge and I have some advice for you about the TOE and about Hindu teachers. I want to show you a key piece of information about the TOE which was known by the scribes of yore.

Hopefully once I explain this to you you will see that the highest mathematical principle which exists and describes everything is exactly like the greatest of ideas that you can possibly imagine, and that people have known forever.

It is the highest mathematical/philosophical principle that you can possibly imagine and it is the number that denotes the shere size and precise composition of everything, the single all-encompassing unit of dynamic opposites that forms all of the entirety of the cosmos. This number I sometimes call the heretic of mathematics, but it can be looked to as a saving grace when all apprehension is let aside and true beautiful irony embraced. It is the undefined number, better known as 1/0.

They say 1/0 is undefined, keeping us in the dark like the great plight that consumes us and makes us confide in limitation, but one of your great Hindu teachers thought otherwise, who was the first person indeed to conjur the great number. He was known as Brahmagupta, the great scribe, the first to invent the number nothing, and the first to invent the number "everything."

Brahmagupta told us point blank, "anything multiplied by nothing is something times nothing, and anything divided by nothing is something divided by nothing." Funny then, it may seem to you, that we could not define one divided by zero in our modern day text-book definitions. Afterall, anybody who has studied the English language knows that something divided by nothing is not undefined, but undivided, a completely unified whole. That is what Brahmagupta was saying I believe when he said anything divided by nothing is something undivided.

So the definition of 1/0 is the definition of a unified field. Everything is made out of the unified field and therefore 1/0 tells us it's extent and composition. It's extent is absolute - both greater than positive infinity and less than negative infinity. It's composition is a coincidence of opposites - positive dancing perpetually in love with negative. So you can see, this coincidence of opposites was also described by the Tao, or the yin and yang symbol.

Everything comes full circle in time you see. Brahmagupta first saw it and now so have I, and now I have shown you. Once you say that 0 is nothing and it's reciprocal 1/0 is everything you turn the number line into a number circle and you beging to understand everything about time, energy, the big bang, beautiful irony, and the expansion of the cosmos. The big bang was the point at 0 and the expansion of the cosmos is what's bringing us to the opposite point, 1/0. When we reach 1/0, time will reverse, thus completing the consistent contradiction of time being composed of dynamic opposites. This conistent contradiction of dynamic opposites was also known to Nicolas of Cusa and he called it the coincidence of opposites. So there you go, Tao, Brahmagupta, 1/0, positive and negative infinity, Nicolas of Cusa, and the amount of energy in all of existence. This is just an overview of what all I have discovered but it gives you the main definition. The details will surprise you even more. I know the secret to convert time directly into energy. Hope you don't mind this report.
sincerely, POK

[Pramod Desai]

Dear Purveyor of knowledge

Thanks a lot first of all for the response. I could follow the arguement upto a point but then ran into the "leap of faith" situation for me. But I suppose further reflections and further responses from you and the like will make me advance a bit further in my understanding. Kindly bear with my lack of full understanding.

Thanks and regards.

Pramod Desai

CC: Mr.Elohim: Thanks for the kind response and for providing me the company.