[theunify]

Even the non religious must admit that the bible has been read by more people than another other book. It's weight is on the conscience of man so that we believe it even it it were not true, by prophesy are we saying these events would have occured? No.

By prophesy we must maintain that the bible influences us, enivatably leading to a true result for the prophesy.

What is the biggest prophesy, one that many online sources tell us will happen soon, is that the anti-christ will return. I've even seen a 2-part documentary on local public Tv asking the question what will the anti-christ look like?

If the anti-christ does return; we can expect from my opinion that none of the images shown on Tv will resemble it. Why? Well the devil is the anti-christ, and the devil was alive before God made humans, therefore the anti-christ will not be human. I'm starting to realize that the biggest evil in this world is business. We trust business as correct, it was business that told us(America/ENgland too) too invade Iraq, almost as if we have become slaves to a computer minded machine.

It is this imperfection that I'm scared of, when we start trusting computers to make life in death decisions when they can never know the true meaning of life and death.

Garbage in Garbage out, we need a voluntary government, we have to change the laws so that we stop paying involuntary taxes, if we pay taxes by force the government has no incentive to work.

[mkirkpatrick]

Theunify,timely post as the Christmas merchandising is in full swing?Does prophesy exist?
You ask,yes it most certainly does,although often it is hidden in code and metaphor,there
are many levels of prophesy,from the low astral type of messages from a medium,which
can or will occur within days,to the much higher celestial prophesies of a seer,who will be
able to penetrate deeply into the spiritual world,and see events that may not happen
for a thousand years,it is all about depth,and perception,the lowest vibrations see the
least,the higher more "Wholly" see futher into the "now" that as yet is unborn?


regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by theunify [size=3]Even the non religious must admit that the bible has been read by more people than another other book. It's weight is on the conscience of man so that we believe it even it it were not true, by prophesy are we saying these events would have occured? No. By prophesy we must maintain that the bible influences us, enivatably leading to a true result for the prophesy. What is the biggest prophesy, one that many online sources tell us will happen soon, is that the anti-christ will return. I've even seen a 2-part documentary on local public Tv asking the question what will the anti-christ look like? If the anti-christ does return; we can expect from my opinion that none of the images shown on Tv will resemble it. Why? Well the devil is the anti-christ, and the devil was alive before God made humans, therefore the anti-christ will not be human. I'm starting to realize that the biggest evil in this world is business. We trust business as correct, it was business that told us(America/ENgland too) too invade Iraq, almost as if we have become slaves to a computer minded machine. It is this imperfection that I'm scared of, when we start trusting computers to make life in death decisions when they can never know the true meaning of life and death. Garbage in Garbage out, we need a voluntary government, we have to change the laws so that we stop paying involuntary taxes, if we pay taxes by force the government has no incentive to work.

The number of the "Beast is 666" and 666 is the number of man. We have 6 energy centers or Chakras in the physical body - 6 energy centers or chakras in the astral body - and 6 energy centers or chakras in the causal body - 666 is the number of the "Beast" and 666 is the number of man.

Until we rise above body consciousness and above the physical - astral - and causal planes we are 666 but when we rise to the 7th chakra or Supra Causal plane we then become a free spirit.

The anti -christ is the "universal mind" active and manifesting in every human being through our individual minds - until we rise above the individual mind and its thinking through which the anti-christ is controlling and imprisoning us chemically - we are agents of the anti-christ who manifests through us as -Lust - Anger - Greed - Attachment - and Ego. "The Law of the Jungle."

[baudrunner]

Do prophecies exist?

Most certainly prophecies exist. As do premonitions, and the ability to see in our minds what others see in their minds through the process of extra-sensory perception. But why drag the bible into this? You must remember that the bible is a compilation of manuscripts that were written by independent authors over a period spanning about 700 years. The Book of Isaiah was written in two sessions a hundred years apart. It has gone through countless revisions and modifications to suit the whims of religious authorities. There are quite a few versions of it. The Vulgate, for example, is the officially accepted Catholic version, and it includes the Septaugent, a collection of Greek scriptural writings. The King James version is the officially accepted protestant version of the Church of England because it contains only those scriptures found in the Hebrew bible. And so on. What adds to the confusion is that there is a valuable historical record included with those writings, and there is song and poetry. It is a mistake, however, to take the entire compendium as the literal truth.

The ability to write in those early times was so rare that those who did know how to write felt comfortable only with the subject of God and God's ostensible interventions in the affairs of mankind, for writing represented a permanent record, and unless one embraced this comfort zone there was great paranoia in being branded a heretic and a charletan. Besides, and importantly, this great gift of writing was considered to be divine in nature, which is why these writers were as often as not considered to be "prophets", simply because they could write.

Even rarer were the geniuses behind mathematics and science, who recorded comfortably what they wrote of their studies because their work represented fact based on observation and experiment. Most of the early writers were not endowed with such intelligence and did not pursue any of those disciplines. The fear that these authors were avoiding gave rise to the notion that "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". Better to know a lot before one commits pen to paper.

The existence of monastaries, convents, abbeys, seminaries, nunneries, and similar institutions have served to shelter and isolate a special group of the human population. You see, in some cultures, such as the Islamic culture, it is an abomination to have been born with not clearly identifiable gender characteristics. And it is a fact that 10% of the human population are born so. What to do with them? Suffer the embarassment and admit to being unmarriable? Or even worse the persecution, or even possibly execution, upon the discovery that one is neither male nor female, and therefore probably a tool of the devil? The mysterious goings on behind the walls of those isolated establishments only fostered more respect for the mystique that religious beliefs encouraged.

The bible has only ever been a device, unfortunately only used by many to support the institutionalization of certain precepts which are essentially untenable to the rational and intelligent human being. The idea that one's state of being is the result of "God's will" contributes to the delusion that one is called to serve Him by being so extraordinarily endowed, yet we all know that while life is wondrous and amazing, the state of our being is exclusively the result of what it is that makes us what we are, ie. - DNA, and life is not, and never will be perfect.

Religion is a refuge. There is comfort in the belief in that which cannot rationally be, as interpreted by those early egos in their scriptural writings, because myth is pure and purity is non-threatening.

What is behind prophecy, premonition, and ESP?

I will refer the reader once more to the work of Philip Bucksbaum, of Michigan University, who proved to his satisfaction and to that of most of the scientific community that one can store an infinite amount of information on an electron. The information that we are receiving from stars far away can be hundreds of millions of years old, but it is still there for us to witness. A medium which permits the propagation of EM waves is comprised of atoms and molecules on which are stored the information of all time up to the present. Space has the property of being entirely free of friction to the propagation of EM waves, and no energy is lost in the behaviour of the atoms and molecules as they propagate this information, so that it can exist for all time, and continue to propagate until obstructed or absorbed.

A perfect brain can access this information, which consists of modulated EM waves not only in the optical spectrum, but over the entire range from the quantum to the colossal, including the modulations of thought and understanding. But brains are very far from perfect, and where there exists an individual who is especially gifted in understanding and knowing through this phenomenon there is the human element to consider, that the difference between the knowledge received and that recorded is most often vast, representing an interpretion tainted by the human ego, and re-interpreted into wholly unrealistic data.

I do not deny the existence of God, but it is entirely wrong to lean on the bible for perceptions of the truth just because reality sucks.

[theunify]

Thanks baudrunner, I'm truely starting to appreciate your presence here, without you our blanket falls apart from lack of thread, and everyone else as well.

Most of us do not meditate, and hence cannot ever understand that all information is contained within specks of matter waiting to be released and mulitplied. Good point.

I've been trying to build from a religious grounds, as it's the common ground most are familar discussing...However I see your point about going to far with the "ideas" of the bible.
Let the words exist, but don't twist the ideas into "human concepts". That being said I retract my notion that the anti-christ is one thing, it is many things. It is not solid form it is a warning of spiritual being.

Which leads me to the next answer I was searching for, what then is Christ going to look like. That too is a benefit, of spiritual form, present within all of us, when it is expressed as willful action, human wilfull action.

Very great work EVERYONE, I found a link to a guy's prophesy page, maybe we can read from there and discuss some of his dreams/predictions and others predictions, it's highly relevant to the idea that certain minds can tune into waves of that the rest of us cannot. http://www.newprophecy.net/secondhome.htm

[mkirkpatrick]

Can we see beyond this veil of tears,well yes we can!I see time as an illusion,but what I see that replaces that false concept is now,the everpresent eternal now.According to our
level of consciousness,depends on how far into now you can penetrate.As ones conscious
vibrational rate increases,then now becomes wider!

Those ancient seers and somemore modern ones,have accessed their higher mind,
and contacted the higher spheres of spiritual consciousness,where access to a much,much
broader now is available.

regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

baudrunner,

If you can will you please tell me where in the Bible 666 is defined - as to how and why - it is the number of man - other than the comment that 666 is the number of man and the number of the beast ?

My comments on 666 for your information are not from the Bible.

Knowledge is science - Wisdom is knowledge applied to know the "Self" When knowledge is applied to know the "Self" only then does Wisdom manifest itself within us and Truth is established.

"There is nothing permanent except change" An oxymoron that is pointedly stupid and similar to "avoid accidents by making haste slowly."

"There is nothing permanent where there is change"

There is no consciousness in matter - there is no consciousness in physical energy.

[theunify]

Actually I believe I can tell you one. There are 660 million registered Windows users worldwide. With the introduction of the new software Vista.

[yogi]

1 - Yes
2 - Do You Need Proof ?
3 - If I Give It To You , Can You Decipher It ?
4 - Yes
5 - End
6 - No , Then Goto 2
7 - I Only Accept Somethings As Prophesy
8 - Digg Further
9 - Got The Answer, The End
10 - No, Goto 2

[mkirkpatrick]

Thanks Yogi for your opening post on this new league,welcome aboard.

Prophesy does most certainly occur,but not all who profess to prophesy are;reminds
me of the story told of Cicero,who declares that Pherecydes is,"potius divinus quam
medicus",rather a soothsayer than a physician!!


regards michael.