[mkirkpatrick]

Many thanks theunify for your last post,I cannot share any miracles with you,not that
wonderful and uplifting spiritual experiences have not happened to me,they indeed have!
But,I do not believe or accept the idea of miracles,and I will tell you why.

In my limited understanding,for I have only been studying this for a mere 30 years,I once
met an elderly man who had been "practising" meditation for 75 years,he told me he was
just "getting the hang of it",but was still learning??

A miracle as I understand it,implies a suspension of natural law,for this "event" to occur!
And as natural laws are perfect and absolute in operation,this cannot EVER happen!

What instead seems to happen,is that a higher spiritual law,that we do not encounter
very often,comes into play and manifests itself,to our great surprise!We see mostly just
the heavy and somewhat dross physical laws in regular operation,but we need to be ever
mindful that there are many other "higher laws" that ascend the scale of vibrational output
from the heavy physical laws throught those of the astral-plane,the etheric-plane,higher
mind-and soul-plane,plus the vast infinite oceanic spiritual planes of Beingness?
Miracles are a wonderful idea,and no doubt make us feel special,after all God suspended
his lawful intent just for me??

I myself like the idea of them,but alas I also know that they are fairy stories that can give
comfort to children,but we are all grown up now are we not!

regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Many thanks theunify for your last post,I cannot share any miracles with you,not that wonderful and uplifting spiritual experiences have not happened to me,they indeed have! But,I do not believe or accept the idea of miracles,and I will tell you why. In my limited understanding,for I have only been studying this for a mere 30 years,I once met an elderly man who had been "practising" meditation for 75 years,he told me he was just "getting the hang of it",but was still learning?? A miracle as I understand it,implies a suspension of natural law,for this "event" to occur! And as natural laws are perfect and absolute in operation,this cannot EVER happen! What instead seems to happen,is that a higher spiritual law,that we do not encounter very often,comes into play and manifests itself,to our great surprise!We see mostly just the heavy and somewhat dross physical laws in regular operation,but we need to be ever mindful that there are many other "higher laws" that ascend the scale of vibrational output from the heavy physical laws throught those of the astral-plane,the etheric-plane,higher mind-and soul-plane,plus the vast infinite oceanic spiritual planes of Beingness? Miracles are a wonderful idea,and no doubt make us feel special,after all God suspended his lawful intent just for me?? I myself like the idea of them,but alas I also know that they are fairy stories that can give comfort to children,but we are all grown up now are we not! regards michael.

Michael, your words re "I myself like the idea of them, but alas I know that they are fairy stories that can give comfort to children, but we are all grown up now are we not!" are words right out of the mouths of dleviwing and L G and all other materialists.

Will you please explain how you know that they are fairy tales ? You are not only saying that you don't believe in miracles - you go farther and say that you know that they are fairy tales. Will you please explain how you know this ?

[mkirkpatrick]

William IC,I am not sure that I fully understand "where you are coming from"If you re-read my last post you will see quite plainly that I stated Quote "I do not believe in miracles,and I will tell you why!"

I am also puzzled as to why you would compare me to others,are we not equal unto
ourselves?

How I know miracles cannot exist,I thought I made that quite clear,That a miracle implies
an direct interference from "God"That one point (person) has been singled out to bestow
a special favour (gift)on,this is quite absurd if one really thinks it through!

I then went on to say,that there are higher laws that many of us are completly unaware
of,and that it is these laws that occur in rare times,"when certain conditions are met"and
allows the flow of a higher spiritual law to gain access to this dense physical plane.

This is what is mistakenly called a miracle.How i know this personally William,is because
I have devoted the best part of my life,over 45years in the pursuit of this understanding.
And have in that time,encountered many things and ideas that lead me to conclude that
wonderful and truly magnificient things happen in peoples lives,and that we all can and
indeed do have "spiritual experiences" but that none of this IS a miracle,and that they
all occur "within the embrace of natural law.

regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Michael,

In late 1970 - i was an ambulance attendant and chauffeur. One day in December about two weeks before christmas my partner and i received a call from our dispatcher to do a routine hospital to hospital transfer.

The transfer involved a young 17 yr. old girl with terminal cancer. When we arrived at the hospital to pick her up we were made aware by her Mother that she was in severe pain and could not be touched or lifted. So i placed my stretcher beside and touching her bed loosened the sheets on the bed and pulled her and the sheets on to the stretcher without touching her.

Upon arriving at the receiving hospital a cancer clinic where she was going for chemotherapy i repeated the same procedure in placing her in their bed. My partner and i then returned to our base where we were on duty for emergency calls.

About 3 hours later we got a call from our dispatcher that the mother and daughter requested the same ambulance crew who transfered her because they were so gentle and caused her no additional pain. As we were not busy with any emergency calls we were given this transfer back to the originating hospital.

Upon arriving back at the hospital - as soon as we entered her room all the atoms in that room changed to a different frequency - it was as if the room was alive no one else in the room - my partner - her Mother - doctors and nurses - were aware of this change they seemed to be in another frequency and not aware of the one that i was experiencing - a conscious energy took control of me and lifted her physically off the stretcher and carried her to her bed. No one commented on or was aware of what was occurring.

As i carried her to her bed my left hand was placed under her knees and my right hand was in the middle of her back balancing her and as i moved a powerful current like an electrical current went from my right hand into her back. When i put her down on the bed i looked at my right hand and it was a very bright red and tingling.

We made eye contact then and she had a expression on her face of peace and happiness and she was lovely with no more pain etched on her beautiful face. She knew something had happened even though no one else in that room did and we shared the wonder of what had just occurred.

As soon as i placed her on the bed she sat up got off the bed and proceeded to walk around the room with her Mother laughing and crying beside her - she wanted to get dressed and go home for christmas. Within the week the hospital released her to go home cancer free. The doctors called it a spontaneous remission.

The energy that i experienced in this incidence was not only conscious - it was purposeful in curing that young girl of her terminal cancer. She had been given two weeks to live and the family was hoping that she would survive at least over the holidays.

At this time i as an initiate of the Spiritual Masters along the line of Sant Mat or the teachings of Masters such as Nanak and Kabir - was a vegetarian eating - no meat - no fish - no eggs - and no fowl - and practicing meditation on the Light & Sound of God 2 1/2 hours - more or less - every day from Nov. 1972 to today

This conscious energy is the Word - the Tao - the Light & Sound of Infinite Consciousness - the Formative Sound of Creation or whatever other name that we call "IT."

This particular incident with this conscious energy was the first time it happened but not the last as it has happened repeatedly through the years. I am very fortunate in that i am well aware that it is not me that is causing these experiences in that i am merely a vehicle or instrument open to this energy and that it is the conscious energy doing what it wills. I cannot do anything "IT" does it where and when "IT" wills.

To the Cancer Girl and her Mother this was a miracle ! Tell me Michael are these events miracles outside the law of nature or are they merely natural events ?

This event was a direct intervention from and by God through an instrument or vehicle tuned in to Him in order to bestow a special favor (gift) of healing on His Child suffering terribly and dying from cancer. This intervention was not for me but through me as an instrument of compassion that His unconditional love could pass through to do His work and express His Love.

No doubt i have opened the door to never ending ridicule here at ToeQuest but the truth of miracles needs to be told to those reaching out for some hope in their helpless situations in this insane world that is on the verge of self destruction.

Best Wishes

William

[mkirkpatrick]

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with us William IC.Of course I totally
accept all that you shared as how you felt and saw it unfold.the only difference is in the
way it occured,there we see it differenly.ie,you see miracle,I see natural law.

You asked me the question William,"are these events miracles outside the law of nature,or are they natural events"The answer to that question William is that I believe and accept
that there is "no such thing as a miracle"in fact what we call miracles are in fact due to
the automatic response of Natural law operating and fufilling there lawful purpose when
a culmination of "events" conspire to bring about a "downflow of energy that has the effect of restoring balance and dispelling dis-ease,because William these events so very
rarely happen,a conjunction of events that allow this to occur,we Mis-takenly call these
happenings miracles,and fail to see that ALL is ALLways Under law,there cannot ever be
exceptions to this,otherwise the Absolute would not be All knowing and all wise.But would
be in effect relative!Natural laws are never suspended,they are the very embodiment
of perfection.

regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with us William IC.Of course I totally accept all that you shared as how you felt and saw it unfold.the only difference is in the way it occured,there we see it differenly.ie,you see miracle,I see natural law. You asked me the question William,"are these events miracles outside the law of nature,or are they natural events"The answer to that question William is that I believe and accept that there is "no such thing as a miracle"in fact what we call miracles are in fact due to the automatic response of Natural law operating and fufilling there lawful purpose when a culmination of "events" conspire to bring about a "downflow of energy that has the effect of restoring balance and dispelling dis-ease,because William these events so very rarely happen,a conjunction of events that allow this to occur,we Mis-takenly call these happenings miracles,and fail to see that ALL is ALLways Under law,there cannot ever be exceptions to this,otherwise the Absolute would not be All knowing and all wise.But would be in effect relative!Natural laws are never suspended,they are the very embodiment of perfection. regards michael.

Michael,

Will you please explain in detail what you mean by
"Natural" laws their is some confusion about the word
"natural" as it applies to your definition of law.

What are these laws that are never suspended and are
the embodiment of perfection ?

Are these "Natural laws spiritual or are they material ?

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with us William IC.Of course I totally accept all that you shared as how you felt and saw it unfold.the only difference is in the way it occured,there we see it differenly.ie,you see miracle,I see natural law. You asked me the question William,"are these events miracles outside the law of nature,or are they natural events"The answer to that question William is that I believe and accept that there is "no such thing as a miracle"in fact what we call miracles are in fact due to the automatic response of Natural law operating and fufilling there lawful purpose when a culmination of "events" conspire to bring about a "downflow of energy that has the effect of restoring balance and dispelling dis-ease,because William these events so very rarely happen,a conjunction of events that allow this to occur,we Mis-takenly call these happenings miracles,and fail to see that ALL is ALLways Under law,there cannot ever be exceptions to this,otherwise the Absolute would not be All knowing and all wise.But would be in effect relative!Natural laws are never suspended,they are the very embodiment of perfection. regards michael.

MIRACLE

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Miracles)

For other uses, see Miracle (disambiguation).

According to many religions, a miracle, derived from the old Latin word miraculum meaning 'something wonderful', --- is a striking interposition of divine intervention by God in the universe by which the ordinary course and operation of Nature is overruled, suspended, or modified. ---

Although many texts and people confirm witnessing or prophecize various events which they refer to as 'miraculous', there are no scientifically confirmed occurrences of miracles. People in different faiths have substantially different definitions of the word miracle.

Even within a specific religion there is often more than one usage of the term. Sometimes the term miracle may refer to the action of a supernatural being that is not a god. Thus, the term divine intervention refers specifically to the direct involvement of a deity.

The Miracle that i am speaking about was divine intervention by the "Word" of God in which the ordinary course and operation of Nature i.e. Natural law was overruled and suspended. Could it be that the "Natural" law that you are referring to is in fact the "Law of Karma" ? ? ? ? ?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Infinite Consciousness MIRACLE From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Miracles) For other uses, see Miracle (disambiguation). According to many religions, a miracle, derived from the old Latin word miraculum meaning 'something wonderful', --- is a striking interposition of divine intervention by God in the universe by which the ordinary course and operation of Nature is overruled, suspended, or modified. --- Although many texts and people confirm witnessing or prophecize various events which they refer to as 'miraculous', there are no scientifically confirmed occurrences of miracles. People in different faiths have substantially different definitions of the word miracle. Even within a specific religion there is often more than one usage of the term. Sometimes the term miracle may refer to the action of a supernatural being that is not a god. Thus, the term divine intervention refers specifically to the direct involvement of a deity. The Miracle that i am speaking about was divine intervention by the "Word" of God in which the ordinary course and operation of Nature i.e. Natural law was overruled and suspended. Could it be that the "Natural" law that you are referring to is in fact the "Law of Karma" ? ? ? ? ?

William in all fairness,I feel that we are both wandering too far away from the thread
starter,which is concerning prophesy,so I suggest we stop this wandering now.Okay.
I will reply to your quiry in a private message.

regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

In the modern world there seems little room for the type of prophesy that was present
in the distant past,today we make do with the quick fix,read your horoscope in the daily
newspaper,go and have a sitting with a pychic,or even a phone reading,or prehaps tarot
cards.

As we become better educated and can all read and write,there is less of a need to
see these wise old oracles?


regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

If we believe in God, Its one attribute is that of being Omniscient; that our past,present&future is known to Him. In that case the world is pre-destined/predetermined; what is a prophesy for us, is already a part of His Grand-Design---predetermined!love&regards.ls