[r.p.bibra]

but who bears the consequences of ones' karma&who re-incarnates(reborns)?love&regards.ls.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra but who bears the consequences of ones' karma&who re-incarnates(reborns)?love&regards.ls.

Thanks for your brief input Ls,who indeed bears the consequences of ones karma?
The answer to that one,for me is very simple,I bear the consquences for my "debts"
and I am personally responsible to repay all my karmic dues to the very last penny!

You are of course personally responsible to repay all your accumulated debts as well.

The I Am that is me is the one that is reborn again and again,until the wheel has fully
turned many times,and I stand free of debt.

regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra but who bears the consequences of ones' karma&who re-incarnates(reborns)?love&regards.ls.

Our Soul bears the consequences of the karma created by the mind and its thinking. While the mind - that we do not learn to control with the "Word" does the crime - the soul as the "Word" or power behind the mind does the time.

The T.O.E. is dependent on and is uncovered by what our attention as awareness is identifying with - if it identifies with the world everything is theory - if it identifies with our consciousness it is the Theory and Truth of Everything.

Take your Love from the world and what is left "is the Word."

[r.p.bibra]

if we accept the name of 'soul' in our vocabulary---of spirituality, then we automatically accept its attributes viz., whole-pure-eternal-bliss.even these attributes are superfluous,as it is attributeless.it is above the effects of the karma,so causeless.it has no birth or death,as it is eternal.in spiritualism we cannot prove anything by logic.it is totally a practical science---practice&realise,you will know the truth.till then self-enquiry is the best sadhna(spiritual-exercise)with love&regards.ls.

but who is 'that' 'i'? what is 'that' in me (my present physical-self) who acts,botb, as doer&enjoyer?love&regards.ls.

[mkirkpatrick]

Thatis a good question Ls,"what is that"in me,who acts,both as doer and enjoyer?

At the outer dense orbit of expression,there is me,the ego,the one who thinks he is apart.
then as we go further within,the ego begins to loose cohesion,I begin to "fall apart"and
ultimately what is left,is universal awareness,wholly wholeness,and atonement with all
but of course long before you will arrive at this point in your evolutionary journey,the
karmic debts will have long ago been all paid in full,and you will be totally free of all
cosmic and karmic liabilities.

regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

During sleeping, waking, dreaming, and dreamless; past, present, future; there is one entity exiting in all the states of ‘my’ body or its conscious---as witness---& that is ‘I’. This is my body, I have acquired so many degrees (because of my intellect), I have realized the truth: here too ‘I’ is present in the gross-body, in intellect, in Janana (wisdom). This ‘I’ needs to be probed deeply, beyond even the limits of wisdom, i.e., by transcending the spheres of the mind. Love&regards.ls.

[mkirkpatrick]

Am grateful for your valuable input Ls,to go beyond the "I" is surely to loose me?
That indeed is a task and a half!

regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

In real terms we live out (experience) our karmas in our mind. Whatever category of life we are placed in or the types of lives we go/live through, it is the mind which, actually experiences the effects of that life. The cycle of life & death; accumulation of karmas& their exhaustion is not merely a retribution act of nature, as neither god nor the nature is revengeful. The purpose of this cycle is to lead the soul towards purification and perfection. Though soul is not effected by karmas of the body it is incased in, but the vasanas (effects of negative tendencies) super-imposed on it (soul) have to be removed by living out/exhausting their effects. the soul is placed in such circumstances where it not only lives out/removes its veil of vasanas but develops necessary repentance which leads its sheath (super-imposed subtle-body) towards compassion love which are necessary tools towards its libration from gross manifestation syndrome. A commits a murder, gets death sentence. His termination of physical life is not enough. Development of genuine feeling of repentance in him is most essential, otherwise his conscience remains tainted with criminal tendency. What a better way than to put his soul (subtle-body) through such a life wherein it is made to live a life which teaches hatred towards crime& love& compassion for all. it is the law of karma as the ls. understands. with love&regards.ls.

[mkirkpatrick]

Many thanks Ls for your most thoughtful reply,good to see you back online.
regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

Michael there are memory centres/chambers in our brain, which are stacked/connected subject wise. If ls. thinks of brother Michael, his conscious focuses on the memory centre of Michael & all data relating to him becomes ‘live’/conscious. Same way if we have developed our power of concentration to the optimum level, even the latent memory centre relating to past lives become patent & we become suddenly ‘Aware’ of all the three phases of time. Ls is not that advanced yet, but it is not a difficult ‘discipline’& can be mastered. As all past memories are stored in our mind, and it is the mind through which we exhaust our karmas, thus by activating our latent memory centres relating to past lives, we can ‘live’ the effects of our karmas by going through ‘live-experience/feelings’! Hope, ls. has made his point clear!.love&regards