[mkirkpatrick]

This law is the major corollary of the law of evolution,and has never been grasped or
properly understood in the west,and in the east,where it is acknowledged as a governing
principle.

There have been many fanciful notions and ideas about what reincarnation really is,such as coming back as a dog or other animal,these are really nonsensibly and untrue,but
these stories persist.

What I would like to is to have a discussion about this very what I believe important
subject.
I would first like to present some thoughts on this from an esoteric viewpoint.
That the law of rebirth is a great natural law upon this planet.It is a process,instituted
and carried forward under the law of evolution.It is closely related to,and conditioned by,the law of cause and effect.

It is a process of progressive development, enabling man to move forward from the
grossest forms of unthinking materialism to a spiritual minded and inclusive being.

These are a few pointers to start of a hopefully healthy and robust thread.

regards michael.

[theunify]

Are you suggesting a "sphere" is not a sphere and a straight line is a "sphere" because of our distorition we cannot tell and there is another invisible us twisting through this "normalized world veiw" contrary to the infinite strands, within strands.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by theunify Are you suggesting a "sphere" is not a sphere and a straight line is a "sphere" because of our distorition we cannot tell and there is another invisible us twisting through this "normalized world veiw" contrary to the infinite strands, within strands.

Thank you theunify,No I am not suggesting that,am I?What I was imagining is that there
seems an exact parallel between evolution and reincarnation,and that this could be
represented in the form of a double helix,much like DNA strands and also very closely
resembling the caduceus of entwining serpents?

regards michael.

[theunify]

You are very wise, much more so than I know I am, and I am wise too for knowing that you are my wiser. Being wise I will give words, for wisdom lies in words, and thought is the key to wisdom. I gotta sleep though, I'll finish this thought up tomorrow...

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by theunify You are very wise, much more so than I know I am, and I am wise too for knowing that you are my wiser. Being wise I will give words, for wisdom lies in words, and thought is the key to wisdom. I gotta sleep though, I'll finish this thought up tomorrow...

Thank you kindly for your words theunify,wisdom comes to those who "know" the depths
of their own ignorance.?


regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

Originally Posted by theunify You are very wise, much more so than I know I am, and I am wise too for knowing that you are my wiser. Being wise I will give words, for wisdom lies in words, and thought is the key to wisdom. I gotta sleep though, I'll finish this thought up tomorrow...

mr. your wisdom is stand-still,we the sheeps are anxiuosly waiting for the words,which shall enlighten our 'laten-self' . dear.words do not culminate into wisdom!wisdom is always realised/truth-in-practice,not theorised.listen to his(michael)words,you will surely stand to gain some enlightenment.love&regards.

[mkirkpatrick]

The fact of immortality is today on the verge of scientific proof;the fact that survival of
some factor has already been proved,though what has been demonstrated as surviving
is apparently not in itself intrinsically immortal.

The factual nature of the soul,and the fact of soul survival and of its eternal livingness,go
hand in hand and have not yet been scientifically proven;theyare however,known and
recognised as truths today by such countless millions and by so many intellectuals that
unless mass hysteria and mass deception is posited-their existance is already correctly
surmised.

regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

When the ls.’s body dies/de-materialize, who is to suffer its karmic effects? The mind or the soul!
Whosoever faces the retribution, the medium is always a body i.e., the new body the ls. is born in!
This is not fair, because it was ls. who had originally committed the acts---good/ bad, but why a new ‘body’ has to suffer on l.s behalf?
Ok. It the body which suffers, but it is not the same body (ls) who is reborn!
It is the mind that is reborn----cannot be so, as it is inert/insentient i.e. lifeless, so cannot be reborn. Yes its vasanas (desires) are definitely carried forward!
Soul can also not be born again, as it is described as whole-pure-eternal-bliss. Whatever is eternal cannot be reborn!
Moreover God is not revengeful, so He (or she---harmony girl may not get offended) cannot serve punishment!
Soul cannot get reborn as it causeless; mind too cannot be reborn as it is inert; who is it that takes birth or is reborn?
In case God too does not interfere, as it is told He is merely a witness, not directly involved in our karmas. So it is ‘we’ who indulge in activity/karmas and ‘we’ who to suffer the consequences. But how? That is as to how we exhaust the effects of past karmas?
Is it the body which suffers, the mind or the soul?
Pl. don’t have the misconception that the ls. has an answer!love&regards.ls.

[mkirkpatrick]

Many thanks Ls for your most thoughtful reply,in our long journey along the road of
unfoldment,we gradually learn to unfold and use our inner faculties,and to develop the
power of seeing,the faculty of seeing truth,in particular the truth about our own behaviors,
both inner and outer,illumines our path toward liberation.This inner seeing,if accepted,
repeatedly exposes the manifestations of our egoism,which withers slightly each time the
light of "seeing"strikes it.

The faculty of seeing has the power because it intuitively knows right from wrong,Seeing
penetrates our illusions and recognizes ant hint of egoistic self-centeredness,not only in
our speech and actions,but also in uor hidden thoughts,emotions,and desires,Seeing
sees all.

Why then,with all the benefit of our abilty to see,are we not already free of egoism?Because seeing the manifestations of our egoism for what they are means seeing many
of our motivations,thoughts,and actions revealed as unbecoming,unattractive,petty and
ugly.These sobering revelations cause us great discomfort,because they clash with our
carefully constructed and well-protected self image.

Seeing depends on consciousness,but the conscious energy is not the essence of seeing.
For that we must look to our will.to the one who sees in us,who sees us.This willingness
to see,this seer is none other than our own conscience,our deeper self!

regards michael.

[yogi]

Strange but very TRUE !!!

sincerely ,
yogi