[mkirkpatrick]

It has been suggested by some who are familiar with physical mediumship,that the ectoplasm is from the mediums own life-force,a vital-fluid that exudes from the orfices,
and that there is certain alchemical process, a process of supernormal chemistry!

If that is so,then it might suggest that this substance (ectoplasm) in not directly connected
to the etheric field.Indirectly no doubt,nevertheless this is a substance that seems to normally exist in a different dimension than this dense physical plane,and when conditions
are suitable will "leak" into this dimension via the orfices of the medium.


tbc


regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

The medium acts as a catalyst in order to bring this vaporous substance of ectoplasm into
this dense physical plane,those on the etheric side (spirit,ie,"dead people")mix the vital
life fluid of the medium with that of the etheric (astral) plane,using what could be termed
as etheric or spirit chemistry,this chemistry allows the flow of this mixture to enter and stay for a while in this realm.

This substance ectoplasm can appear as a,solid,semi-liquid-and liquid,vapour,or gas,in the
last stage as a gas,this can and often does produce a smell associated with a "loved" one
coming through to make contact with you and the other sitters,this might well be the smell
of a pipe smoker,where the smell of pipe tobacco will waft around the room!


Are "Ghosts" who sometimes appear solid,and have actually been touched by others,
acting on a different level,thereby with different laws of expression,as with their appearance there is no medium present? And are they visible ectoplasm,or pure etheric
substance!

tbc

regards michael.

[Spiral Path]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick This substance ectoplasm can appear as a,solid,semi-liquid-and liquid,vapour,or gas,in the last stage as a gas,this can and often does produce a smell associated with a "loved" one coming through to make contact with you and the other sitters,this might well be the smell of a pipe smoker,where the smell of pipe tobacco will waft around the room! Are "Ghosts" who sometimes appear solid,and have actually been touched by others, acting on a different level,thereby with different laws of expression,as with their appearance there is no medium present? And are they visible ectoplasm,or pure etheric substance! tbc regards michael.

Hello, Michael -

I have read a lot about ectoplasm and ghosts, but was not familiar with a few of their properties that you mention in this thread. It's a fascinating field of study and I am grateful to you for being able to learn more about this subject. I also understand that you people in the U.K. have a much better opportunity to explore these things first-hand than we here in Canada because you seem to have easier access to gifted and honest mediums as well as a greater abundance of haunted buildings with your long history.

As far as ectoplasm is concerned, I may be wrong, but I thought I had read somewhere that apparently it was recently chemically analysed and found to be some kind of protein. Would it perhaps be possible to make an arrangement with the medium in advance of any sitting and get his or her permission to collect samples of this ectoplasm in its various forms before it is re-absorbed into the body? Somehow I would think that with this advance knowledge the medium might not be harmed. Though, on the other hand, the medium might then not be able to go into the necessary deep trance under these circumstances. Anyway, it might be worth a try and it sure would be interesting to find out whether or not any DNA could be found in this substance.

As for ghosts, somehow I would think that this is a slightly different phenomenon - as you suggested - and I am under the impression that in recent years there have been many measurements done by many investigators, though I haven't seen any conclusive results yet.

Nevertheless, I am confident that, with the right instruments, some ingenious people sooner or later will find out what exactly all these esoteric phenomena are. In the meantime it's just fun to speculate about them.

Regards, S.P.

[mkirkpatrick]

Many thanks Spiral path for your comments;you mentioned that there was a protein to
be found within ectoplasm,yes that is correct,as far as far as we know,now whether there
is any DNA contained within it,I do not think we know the answer to that question yet!

Obtaining ectoplasm from the medium is very difficult indeed,as it is partof his/her vital
living fluid,mixed with etheric fluid from "chemists" in the astral-etheric realm,it is possible
to touch it (with prior knowledge tothe medium)without this severe "burning" can occur to
the medium,in particular around the solar plexus area.The medium when used like this
in physical phenomena,becomes "ultra-sensitive" to sound,light,and in particular touch,
the sitters need to be ever mindful of this,as an unexpected touch could in extreme cases
actually severely hurt,or even kill the medium.


While sitting in these circles I too have felt the flow of ectoplasm,it would flow from my
eyes,nose,and mouth,it felt as if cobwebs were being slowly pulled along your face,and
made you feel like wanting to scratch,or brush it away!A rather odd and strange sensation.There is apower that builds up in a room where there are a dozen or so like-
minded individuals who are focussing intently on the same thing.This at times "spills"
over into other sitters,I happened to be one that was responsive enough to enable this
process to partially manifest in and around me.

On reflection SP I tend to think that ghosts materializations where they can and do feel
physical,are a different phenomenon altogether.

tbc

regards michael.

[Spiral Path]

Thanks, Michael, for relating this incredible personal experience with ectoplasm to me. Sometimes I wish that I myself would be more "psychic" and not always so "down to earth" and dryly "scientific", but then perhaps I should be grateful that I am no more "sensitive" than I already am. Just watching emotional scenes on TV brings tears to my eyes, like ceremonies on Remembrance Day or desperate people after an earthquake or just even singing the National Anthem.

Slowly I hope to get around to read all your threads and find out more about your personal experiences with the intangible part of the TOE that is nowadays still a "great unknown" and compare them to mine. My "conversion" to things still called "supernatural" came after the suicide of my son when he communicated with me through automatic writing. - Once we understand all these still unexplained phenomena, like mediumship and ectoplasm, they will no longer appear supernatural, but simply become part of our knowledge of natural law - just like electricity once did.

Regards, Spiral Path

[mkirkpatrick]

Thank you Spiral Path for sharing that which must have been most tragic for you,the loss
of your dear son.I have experienced many friends over the years who have also took their own lives,some have returned and communicated with me.I too have experienced
automatic-writing and found it most interesting,have not been involved with that now though for the past 20 years.I am happy for you that this experience has opened up a new world for you,and allowed you further communication with your son,that would have otherwise been impossible.


As I mentioned in a previous post,there is a build up of energy in the room where a dozen
or so like minded people are focussing their attention on a given point.

When the ectoplasm builds and begins to flow,the mediums face and features are oft times "blanked out"and there is just a pinkish surface visible,this then is configured into
a different face altogether!A loved one or friend comes through and their features are
visible over that of the mediums,sometimes a man with a beard and moustache will appear over the mediums face,who is clean-shaven by the way!

This type of physical mediumship is called transfiguration,and today is seldom seen,there
are a few physical mediums who still practise this,but mostly anonymously behind the
scenes.

Although ectoplasm seems to consist mostly of the vital life force of the medium,there
is I feel via an alchemy process carried out in the etheric realm by those assisting the
materialization process an element of etheric fluid-or matter that actually enters into
this dimension,this if it could be somehow kept in this dimension when the session was
over,would be really a profound substance to study.

tbc

regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

Spirit or spiritual alchemy transforms the vital living fluid of the medium and mixes it with
etheric force or substance to produce ectoplasm,which as previously said can take on various forms,from a vaporous like gas,to that of a solid like material.

Proper analysis of this substance has as yet not been carried out,but I believe this will
become possible in the very near future.What has interested me in this,is the possiblity of
obtaining objective evidence of etheric matter,and being able to bring it into this
dimension and anchor it here long enough for a brief study.


tbc.


regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

When like minded people sit together in a room for a purpose,and they resonate harmony
and postive thought,there is a power that is built up,and can be felt by all present,this power has abilty to open dimensional door ways,and allow the inflow of etheric-astral
matter intothe dense physical plane,it can often be seen as a blue tinged mist that seems
to roll along the room,eminating from an invisible doorway inthe middle of the room.it
reminds me somewhat of when you open a freezer door,and that cold misty vapour flows
out.


Now this blue fog,that seems to provide a bridge between this world and the next is not
the same substance that eminates from the medium.the ectoplasm,it seems that the mist
is purely etheric matter,while the ectoplasm is a mixture of etheric matter and the vital
life fluid of the medium.


tbc


regards michael.

[Spiral Path]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick When like minded people sit together in a room for a purpose,and they resonate harmony and postive thought,there is a power that is built up,and can be felt by all present,this power has abilty to open dimensional door ways,and allow the inflow of etheric-astral matter intothe dense physical plane,it can often be seen as a blue tinged mist that seems to roll along the room,eminating from an invisible doorway inthe middle of the room.it reminds me somewhat of when you open a freezer door,and that cold misty vapour flows out. Now this blue fog,that seems to provide a bridge between this world and the next is not the same substance that eminates from the medium.the ectoplasm,it seems that the mist is purely etheric matter,while the ectoplasm is a mixture of etheric matter and the vital life fluid of the medium. tbc regards michael.

Your description makes sense and it's all very fascinating. Does it come from personal experience or from books? If so, which ones? - I am looking forward to the continuation of this thread.

Regards, Spiral Path

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Spiral Path Your description makes sense and it's all very fascinating. Does it come from personal experience or from books? If so, which ones? - I am looking forward to the continuation of this thread. Regards, Spiral Path

Thanks SP,none of this is from books,it is all my personal experience,will continue
with this later when there is space in my day?



regards michael.