[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Eric From Wikispeedia... My own version of a first principle or absolute principle, would be the "principle OF the absolute". For an object to truly exist, it would have to alone. It could not have an equal or greater contingent. Without this, no other "principle" is possible.

I agree Eric,the first principle,is an absolute principle,and from within its sanctum
all other principles that intention willed to be unfolded at the completion of the involutionary cycle,would be "realised" and released as the cycle of evolution
began its noble endevour.

regards michael.

[Eric]

The real point, however, is that the absolute principle is directly related to the Absolute itself.

What is an absolute? This is the question that leads to the principle answer, that can then lead to the next question, the next answer, etc.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Eric The real point, however, is that the absolute principle is directly related to the Absolute itself. What is an absolute? This is the question that leads to the principle answer, that can then lead to the next question, the next answer, etc.

That is what I call a "loaded question"??What is an absolute?Well here is one answer
that may just cleanse the barrel of jectivity? A dark flame from where life flickers out
from and returns too!


regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Eric, IMO, the only absolute principle directly related to the Absolute Itself, is Itself___The Absolute One Substance___"Matter/Motion". The absolute can be none other than itself. The absolute can produce none other than itself. The entire universe has nothing but "Matter/Motion", the Self-Substance of Itself. Even like Michael, if he tries to define it, he's stuck with the only absolute possible___"Matter/Motion". In order to define, you must have real substance, even if he chooses consciousness, spirit, life or any entity less than the Absolute Substance, it's still of the Absolute___"Matter/Motion". "It must be real to move; It must move to be real"___or "It must be Absolute to move; It must move to be "The Absolute.""

Clue; A great Sufi poet named Hafez was once asked in a bar, "What is the meaning of it all, Master?" Hafez pondered a moment, then said; "You have two eyes." pause; "You have two more eyes behind those two eyes." he pondered a bit more, then said; "Focus."

I say, of the two internal eyes; one looks forward, the other looks back. When you can see where they meet, you are truly scientifically, and spiritually enlightened...

regards,
Lloyd

Originally Posted by Eric The real point, however, is that the absolute principle is directly related to the Absolute itself. What is an absolute? This is the question that leads to the principle answer, that can then lead to the next question, the next answer, etc.

[michellemfry]

I was there, hello! James, Connor, Tyler and Daniel, what a bunch of who knews in a world of I know so and so, so there. More balls than any band bouldered.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by michellemfry I was there, hello! James, Connor, Tyler and Daniel, what a bunch of who knews in a world of I know so and so, so there. More balls than any band bouldered.

michelle what exactly are you saying here??????


regards michael.

[michellemfry]

James, was totally humiliated, and Connor had a sore toe from their injuries. Daniel and Tyler were one and same who gave you AIDs drugs. The same kid twice, a genetic abomination in theory. Shall I go on? The kids didn't know they were changing the world, they just wanted someone to say, I hurt in this way, can you hear me? Yes.

[Eric]

From looking at her picture in her personal profile and feeling her words, I think she's a "seer of the dark".

It just might be, when she looks into the dark, she has to see something, but she's sad... because she doesn't see the absolute.

Yes, the whole world needs to cry and be held.

PS: She may be a little angry too.

[Eric]

Lloyd,

The absolute is immovable, unchanging, and non-material.

Michelle,

The absolute is invisible... or as Micheal said "A dark flame from where life flickers out from and returns to!"

The life that flickers out may seem confusing at times, but it's always positive in its intention. When the life returns it may not be positive anymore, but it's there to be reborn. Let it be.

[mkirkpatrick]

As a flower unfolds before the warmth of the rising sun,all the "parts" of plant are from the same source,we talk of roots,leaves,seeds,flowers,buds,stems,branches,it would be
easy if not focussed,to imagine these different names,were somehow different?But as we
know they all make up "the whole" thing!

So to with principles,at the onset of universal birth,at the point of singularity,where a line
was drawn,the first principle emerged from absolute unity,this was the "birth" of involution
all other principles that were to become unfolded at the appointed moment were there
infolded and "wrapped up" within the "mother principle"to become unfolded and form the
universal laws that we know of today!

As with the humble plant,who seems to have many parts,there is but one principle at work, which is the principle of life itself?


regards michael.