[Eric]

David,

True, I'm not bothering with all of the logical details. This thread is pretty fast and loose to bother.

This thread aside, if I may, I'm actually not going back in time. I'm doing something entirely different.

To define mass, space, and time requires an absolute reference point. Actually it requires three. The juncture between finite and infinite is where two of them are, and outside of both finite and infinite is where the other one is.

A complete system of circular logic which becomes non-circular at the very last (a necessity), begins not with an assumption as all of them do, but with the dispelling of the most all-encompassing assumption there is.

This logical system will be available in full, but not in this thread, but another. So far, I'm just getting a feel for the forum, before going to the extent I intend.

Eric

[mkirkpatrick]

Yes there is an absolute principle from which all universal laws eminate from
this absolute principle is the one mover,"the seed of the plant"that motioned
from absolute unity,exited via an intentional singularity into what was to
shortly become the "appearance" of a physical universe.

This initial process is called involution,and within this process all the laws
that were to become known by physics eons later,as universal laws were
wrapped up within this one involutionary principle,and when the cycle had
outrun its intended course,there ensued a "momentary pause"then the
evolutionary cycle that we are in now truly began.

And as this cycle progressed,all the principles (laws) that were wrapped up
in the preceeding cycle,now began to unfold (unwrap)and become what we
know them as today.
regards michael.

[michellemfry]

Wasn't the absolute established before the Big Bang dispersed all? I know that it is spoken of as the place where the laws of physics break down. But couldn't that also be where they kneel to an absolute principle known only to them?

[Eric]

It's not before, but greater. The father, mother, and child (universe) know of the absolute. We as the children of the child, can know of them and the absolute as well. The only thing we have to remember, is the absolute itself is invisible and does not have an image.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by michellemfry

Wasn't the absolute established before the Big Bang dispersed all? I know that it is spoken of as the place where the laws of physics break down. But couldn't that also be where they kneel to an absolute principle known only to them?

Absolutely Michelle!The Absolute was never "established" Michelle,it just IS!But I know
what you mean.The laws of physics breakdown in the "border-land"betwixt ON and OFF?


regards michael.

[Eric]

The absolute principle is "absolutely nothing is impossible". If absolutely nothing was possible, there would be no existence.

Therefore, there is a single existent absolute, that all interrelated plurality stems from and is united with.

However, all plurality can not be equally existent to the absolute, but only "apparently existent". The absolute isn't "apparent" and it has to remain singular, or it would become relative and not be absolute.

The absolute manifests "apparent plurality" inwards. What appears to be "outwards", is the reflecting of a single "false" absolute, back to the "true" absolute.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Eric

The absolute principle is "absolutely nothing is impossible". If absolutely nothing was possible, there would be no existence. [This is and always has been true enough, but you are the only one trying to claim infinite history as an absolute private principle. I thought you wanted to avoid axioms and personal assumptions?]

Therefore, there is a single existent absolute, that all interrelated plurality stems from and is united with. [Show the logical objective proof of such object___If it's not an object, it's nothing but absolute emotional mythology...]

However, all plurality can not be equally existent to the absolute, but only "apparently existent". [There is no apparent logic here, only personal opinion and assumption. Needs qualification and quantifaction.] The absolute isn't "apparent" and it has to remain singular, or it would become relative and not be absolute. [This is not logic, it's just assumption and conjecture. To be logical at this level, one must infer real measurable objects into logic, to avoid the assumptions and conjectures, i.e., personal emotions and private languages.]

The absolute manifests "apparent plurality" inwards. What appears to be "outwards", is the reflecting of a single "false" absolute, back to the "true" absolute.

Eric, again you have used a totally undefined word, "absolute", which has too many meanings, to have any logical meanings, in the above contexts. You keep joining emotions and logic, and they are not unitable, scientifically or emotionally, yet___not in the book of science___not in the book of emotions... The mind/body problem is still well safe, from your rhetoric... Science can not unite the mind/body problem, and neither can emotions, yet___the circle is still vastly broken...

regards,

[mkirkpatrick]

The absolute principle is absolutely simple,it is this;LIFE IS.The principle is that from the ONE LIFE all that exists eminate from;Life unmanifest=zero manifestation.Life manifest=
=universal energy motioning!

There job done in 3 lines=economy,major universal law?


happy new year michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Michael, you seem to forget, matter must exist___first___to create/allow your, "universal energy motioning." You must describe how matter becomes life from matter's energy motioning___in order for it to have any scientific value. Energy is always the by-product of matter's motion___it scientifically exists___no other way. Matter is the most fundamental of all energy motions. Energy, without matter, is superficial emotional mythology___always! This is why the holographic universal models are impossible___energy is not first___alone___matter must be the fundamental first___co-joined with motion___to produce energy. It's just the simple logical science of the facts.

regards,

[mkirkpatrick]

As It is new year,and I wish you a happy one by the way Lloyd,I will take time out of
my very busy workload and reply to your most earnest inquiry.

You asked me to describe how matter became life from matter energy motioning,that
is simple to answer it did not!Matter-energy-force etc,are all exactly the same thing,and
are ubiquitously ever living,eternally alive.

Matter Lloyd is focussed and condenced thought,and is exactly the same as energy,when
you are able to grasp the Absolute Reality then prehaps you will be able to move forward
and "who knows" even break into "new" ground!That depends if you can put your thermometer away in your trust tool bag,long enough to see some daylight within the
fog and miasmic glamour that seems to blind you from the truth.

Matter-energy- all come from the LIFE-force that all eminates from and returns to!

Life=energy=matter=light=force=consciousness=under standing=seeing the wood from the trees,opening the mind,and allowing some daylight to penetrate those murky depths.

The absolute principle Lloyd,which we are all contained "within its" awesome embrace
is that of Absolute LIFE,and from that absolute principle Lloyd,all else springs from.

When you finally realise that all the names you use to describe all the "differing phenomena" are in effect,and most certainly in FACT,exactly the same thing!From LIFE
comes,matter,energy,motion,all of which are exactly the same and are ONE?

And as for whether or not this has any scientific value,I am not in the slightest bit
interested Lloyd,the only interest I have is in reporting reality as it presents itself to
me,to all those fellow seekers out there in cyberspace,to reject or accept as they see
fit,in your case Lloyd,it does not take a clairvoyant to see which way you will go??


regards michael.