[michellemfry]

Originally Posted by zeroca

I’ll offer better example and once again from the childhood:
Two bandits caught you and are thrusting the knife under your ribs:
1. You must say something quickly in order to stop them and when you utter even a single word, they will stop at once.
2. If the word or sentence you said is right, they will shoot you;
3. If the word or sentence is wrong, they will hang you.
How would you survive, Dustin?

I would say nothing, preferring the knifing to the hanging or the shooting. I want my death to be on their hands, not the result of anything I did or did not do. I want to remain in a position I can defend should the Almighty call me to the throne. If it truly is his Universe, then it represents his hand and that I do not question the outcome of.

[dustin_archibald]

Originally Posted by TinyTree

If I asked the other guy which road to hell, which road would he say?


The guy who tells the truth would point to heaven. The guys who lies would point to heaven.

The guy who tells the truth would point to hell. The other would point to heaven. Logically of course. But spiritually, who knows?

[dustin_archibald]

Originally Posted by michellemfry

You go to heaven. Ignore the whole thing. Heaven is up, not down a road somewhere. Your guide will be along shortly to transport you away from such foolishness.

Trust me. I'm older than dirt.

Okay, but I call shotgun!

[TinyTree]

Originally Posted by dustin_archibald

The guy who tells the truth would point to hell. The other would point to heaven. Logically of course. But spiritually, who knows?

I may be mispeaking here, but I am asking the guy standing in front of me what the OTHER guy would say.

Therefore, the truthteller would know his buddy would lie, and therefore lie.

The lier would know his buddy would tell the truth, so he will lie about his buddy.

Therefore, you force them both into lying.

[michellemfry]

This would have been a good opener for Assume it to be true...

[zeroca]

Originally Posted by dustin_archibald

"If I were to ask that other grey thing which is the road to Heaven which road would it tell me to take?".

As I said your question consists of two ones, artificially united into one:
1. If I were to ask... i.e. your question...
2. Which road would it tell me... i.e. other grey thing's would be answer...
I.e. this is the same solution I pointed out above, but 3.condition strictly obliges you that you must ask only one question, but not artificially united two ones, i.e 3.condition obliges you that you shouldn't use "if" question ...

[TinyTree]

How about:

"Where would that guy tell me to go?"

Does that count as two implicit questions?

[dustin_archibald]

Originally Posted by TinyTree

How about:

"Where would that guy tell me to go?"

Does that count as two implicit questions?

Good one. But more specifically:

"Which road would that guy tell me to take in order to get to Heaven?"

[zeroca]

I found your thread entertaining and relieving, so I’d like to post a new exercise:
Obligatory is to read it only once and solve it in less then 3 minutes. I purposely give you a wrong explanation of facts and you must quickly find its essence:
Three men went into a pub to have a bear and a snack. After a while, when they decided to leave, they called a little boy (who was smart, honest, but peace-lover) gave him thirty dollars (ten dollars each) to pay the barman and bring back a change. The boy took money to barman. The bill amounted to twenty five dollars, so the boy received from barman five one-dollar banknotes.
He thought:
My god, these three men look like presidents (so lazy they are), but then they must be the presidents of three different countries, or they might be parliamentary members (so fatty and greedy they are), or representatives of executive power (so stupid they look), they surely will make a fuss and quarrel when dividing five dollars, so the smart boy shoved two dollars into his pocket and returned three dollars to three men (each dollar to each one). Three stupid “presidents” left the pub happy with their stupid, satisfied smile.
Their expense (of each one) amounted to 9 dollars, in sum - 27 dollars, plus 2 dollars taken by smart boy, in total – 29 dollars.

Where’s missing one dollar?

[dustin_archibald]

I believe the missing dollar is in the math:

Their expense (of each one) amounted to 9 dollars, in sum - 27 dollars, plus 2 dollars taken by smart boy, in total – 29 dollars.

While their total expense did equal $9.00 the men didn't give $9.00 dollars each, they gave $10.00. If they had originally given $9.00 the math would work out.

$30.00 (amount given to pay)
-$25.00 (total bill)
-$ 3.00 (to customers)
-$ 2.00 (to boy)
= $0.00 (no missing dollar)