Abstraction and consciousness.

socratus · **Abstraction and consciousness. -** 02-16-2006, 02:47 PM

The tree is covered with a lot of leaves.

The leaves rustle, speak, argue among themselves.

But shouldn't they know that the roots feed them?

Physicists behave as leaves.

They rustle, speak, argue among themselves.

But they forget the roots of science, namely that we build the base

of a science on abstract ideas.

The base of the classical mechanics is constructed on abstract

Separate absolute space and abstract separate absolute time of Newton.

The base of thermodynamics is constructed on the abstract

ideal gas theory.

The base of the theory of radiation is constructed on

the abstract black body theory.

The base of SRT is constructed on the abstract theory

of four-dimensional space theory.

On this abstract base, physicists build a concrete building of

science and are surprised when they discover paradoxes in it.

But in nature there are no paradoxes observed.

Something is not in order with logical thinking.

It is necessary to stop, look back and

to reconsider the abstract base of science.

But everyone is in a hurry to try to understand reality,

and they create new abstraction. It is a way to “mad infinity”.

Therefore we live in the world of abstraction, of paradoxes,

in the Orwell,s world.

How to break off this circuit of abstraction?

Guille · 02-16-2006, 03:03 PM

Very wise words. Your post feels like reading something written by an intellectual like Hegel or Kant.

One thing, is all abstraction, paradox? I doubt it. And do you mean paradox in relation to the world, or to other abstractions? idea-to-idea relation, or idea-to-world relation?

How to get rid of this abstraction? Drug yourself all the way out of reality, until the point that you cannot observe anything at all of what you physically perceive, and then, you will be isolated. You will probably die, but would now how it feels to be disconnected from spacetime relativity and entity-property subjectivity that we all have.

baudrunner · 02-16-2006, 07:33 PM

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How to break off this circuit of abstraction?

The question is, how to break off the perception that every logical thought process produces an abstraction. Abstraction is like taking a straight line and describing it as warped. The description of the straight line as being warped is abstraction. Finding a small truth in nature is extraction. Thinking apart from the status quo is distraction. Changing your mind is retraction. I don't think that (m1•m2)/d² is abstraction. Do you, Socratus?

socratus · 02-17-2006, 03:46 AM

Dear GUILLE.

Your post feels like reading something written

by an intellectual like Chuang-tzu :

"Once I dreamed I was a butterfly,
and now I no longer know whether
I am Chuang-tzu, who dreamed I was
a butterfly, or whether I am a butterfly
dreaming that I am Chuang-tzu."

socratus · 02-17-2006, 04:04 AM

Dear baudrunner.

You are right.

Thinking apart from the status quo is distraction:1+1=2.

But in a modern science there are a lot of abstraction.

The basis of a science is abstract.

And this is infringement the status quo.

unknown user · 03-29-2006, 01:49 PM

Abstraction is necessary for comprehension. Otherwise, language and thought would not be "NL-Complete", by which I mean, it would therefore not be able to describe everything out of infinite possibilities. A language may (and must) have a finite number of words; this makes it difficult to represent something that takes many words, but not impossible given and infinite amount of time, because of the structure and basis. Thought is more so. Both are based upon associations, and abstractions are associations that stand in as interpreters between two disparate sections of the individual MindSpace in order to mediate to make infinite cognition possible, like a temporary variable in some logoassociative bytecode compiler.

mkirkpatrick · **anchors aweigh me hearties?? -** 03-29-2006, 10:18 PM

Abstraction,to take away from,to remove,what needs removing,so that I stand free?To remove the many distractions,that keep one from focussing on
the One!To find creative consciousness within the soul,and on finding begin
to shed those anchors that weigh us down!

kind regards michael.

harmonygirl · **consciousness... -** 03-30-2006, 12:40 PM

wonderful post socratus! why would you want to break the circuit of abstraction? Maybe truth can be found there and extrapolated? I think you are right, however, the journey must remember the end and anticipate the beginning...

socratus · **How does the palace of our physics look like? -** 03-31-2006, 12:42 AM

Its base consists of:
1. Abstract separate absolute space of Newton
and abstract separate absolute time of Newton .
2. Abstract ideal gas,
3. Abstract absolutely black body,
4. Abstract negative 4- dimensional space.
There are:
1. Abstract ideal particles,
2. Abstract virtual particles.
Which:
1. Have abstract inertial movement,
2. Can make abstract virtual transitions.
They create:
1. Abstract 11 - dimensional space.
2. Abstract 27 - dimensional space.
3. ets
* * *
We live in 3- dimensional space.
We are real and logically thinking people
have created these abstractions.
So, how to understand the abstract palace of our physics?

Mohan.C · 03-31-2006, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by socratus

So, how to understand the abstract palace of our physics?

Start from the beginning tick off the abstract which do not have paradoxes and cross those which have paradoxes. The problem is that many people try to explain what they see in their own words instead of searching for the truth hidden in the phenomenon. These jig-saw puzzle of ideas which could be arranged into one cannot be. Because each believe he himself is correct. Like the blind brothers who take hold of different parts of the same element and say their own theories. May be combining these abstractions gives the idea of the TOE.