[MJA]

Originally Posted by KiGs I'll go with Aristotle on this one. His follows order and logic, yours is more of a cute little phrase. : )

Cute is a good thing isn't it?

I never thought equality was a cute thing, but rather nature's true thing.
So let me try to help those of you still searching for reality or truth or TOE, those of you who think that equal is simply cute. I am not sure one can teach the blind how to see, but perhaps with Aristotle's help, and logic, = will become the light of truth for you too. And to help the blind is not a cute thing, but truly the right thing to do. That said, lets move on, shall we.

It cannot be denied that Aristotle's equation A = B, and B = C, then truly or certainly A = C.
This sensibly or logically cannot be argued as incorrect or untrue, no matter the amount of cuteness you see in Aristotle's equation.
So it is true to say that Aristotle's equation of logic is true.
Before I go on and show you logically the truth of equality, I must ask, is there any uncertainty or doubt about the truth of Aristotle's logic?
Can we all see the truth so far?
Any questions?

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[JAK]

Originally Posted by MJA ... It cannot be denied that Aristotle's equation A = B, and B = C, then truly or certainly A = C. ... Can we all see the truth so far? ... Any questions?

In a computer program doing pattern matching, the logic above (A=B) is solid if the contents in memory at location "A" equals the contents at location "B". But if "A" and "B" are actual values (or image patterns) being compared, then the value/pattern "A" would/should never equal the value/pattern "B". Thus, the context of the statement becomes important. In other words, what is "A" and "B"? Further, given two points in space marked "A" and "B", is one point equal to the other? Perhaps conceptually they are equivalent, but they occupy different locations in space. Thus, they cannot be identical. Only if the two points occupy the same location in space and time are they truly identical. Of course, in that case, the dual nature of the points comes into question. Is it one point or two points? If two, then how can they both occupy the same space and time? And how can we recognize their duality? If they do not occupy the same space and time, then how can they be truly equal?

But lets change this to light photons. When looking at the North Star (Polaris), we typically think of a photon crashing into our eyes as one which left that distant star a while back. But is it the same photon? Is that photon an actual particle flying through space? Or is it more like the crest of a breaking wave traveling across the ocean of space? With water as an analogy, the molecules of water do not move in the direction of the wave - only up and down as the wave passes. Thus, is a photon an actual particle moving? Or is it just a glint from a wave crest as the wave moves forward? Perhaps a photon has more to do with the fabric of space going up and down like water molecules in a passing wave. The answer to this may be important to TOE in understanding the nature of space/time.

So, A=B may not be as simple and clear as it looks. We assume that the photon crashing against our retina is the same one that left a distant star, but I'm not so sure ...

[MJA]

I think questions are a good way to find the truth JAK, But if you are questioning the equality of A and B in the simple equation A = B, well your question or doubt is not logical nor does it make any sense.

Thanks,


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[JAK]

Originally Posted by MJA I think questions are a good way to find the truth JAK, But if you are questioning the equality of A and B in the simple equation A = B, well your question or doubt is not logical nor does it make any sense.

I'm intrigued. So, you do not understand the point I was making? Or is it a logical error you denote? If the latter, what error of logic did you find? And where did you locate it?

Thanks

[KiGs]

Originally Posted by MJA I never thought equality was a cute thing, but rather nature's true thing. So let me try to help those of you still searching for reality or truth or TOE, those of you who think that equal is simply cute.

I'll give you an example MJA, and maybe you'll see what I mean. I didn't imply that equality wasn't important, and I'm somewhat baffled as to how you even came to that conclusion. But I know equality is your thing and I wasn't trying to belittle it, it's all just jokes with me! Almost everything I say is with a smile, I wasn't trying to be mean. : (

Logic
Aristotle said If A = B, and B = C, then A = C.
But for me, If A = B, then C must = a potato.
Do you agree with Aristotle or me?

You'd probably be thinking, well that's an odd jump of logic and it's not even explained. Perhaps that statement isn't really useful if the middle step isn't there. And how could suggesting this lead to me somehow dismissing equality?!?

: )

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by JAK I'm intrigued. So, you do not understand the point I was making? Or is it a logical error you denote? If the latter, what error of logic did you find? And where did you locate it? Thanks

Hi JAK:

I think A=B is a premise that MJA was using.
GIVEN A=B. Definition for premise:

Logic

1. <LI type=a>One of the propositions in a deductive argument.
2. Either the major or the minor proposition of a syllogism, from which the conclusion is drawn.

Best to all,

Pat

[MJA]

I am going obviously way to fast for some of you, so lets start again, shall we.
Aristotle demonstrated simplictic logic with his equation:
If A = B, and B = C, then A = C.
Is his logic equation true?
T or F?
I say T! How about U!
And if we can't get past this simple first step,
I can't show you the simple steps to TOE., and whoa is me!

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[JAK]

Originally Posted by Profpat I think A=B is a premise that MJA was using. GIVEN A=B. Definition for premise:

Thanks, Profpat! You understood my point!

Please continue MJA. (I apologize for the interruption.)

I look forward to understanding your path to TOE.

[MJA]

Is Aristotle's logic equation T or F?

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[melanie]

I don't want to talk about letters and numbers,
and what equals this or that.

I'm here to plant a little seed

In all ten directions of the universe,

There is only one truth.
When we see clearly, the great teachings are the same.

What can ever be lost? What can be attained?

If we attain something, it was there from the beginning of time.
If we lose something, it is hiding somewhere near us.
Look! this ball in my pocket!
can you see how priceless it is?

Ryokan

thankyou.