Ideas and identity

[Mohan.C]

**** I guess I am writing this because one of the main topics, in the root of evil thread has been ego.

Now, there are a lot of people may be, who believe ego is evil, are according to me mistranslating the meaning of ego. Ego or “I” is an identity, it is not evil mainly because it is again a concept derived to refer to the self. If there is no self, then there is no concept of ‘me’ and ’you’ but that does not mean there is a concept of ‘us’, for us there should be a ‘you’ and ‘me’. 1+1=2, just saying 2 is all, there is no 1, would be ignorance, I will not say idiocy because people take it personally.

Coming to ideas, ideas need someone to spread them, even if it transmitted through telepathy, there should be two distinct entities. When it is just one and one then ideas become stagnant, they may even rot and begin to smell, usually results in madness. Ideas need an identity for survival, but most of the people follow an identity not the ideas, which again is according to me ignorance. Because unknowingly it is the ideas we are following, and we need to recognize that.


What I wish to finally say is that, we follow ideas and not identity, but ideas need an identity for survival.

[Mikal]

Hi Mo....the ego is one of the most important constructs in the mind/psyche system. It is not evil in nature, it is a natural development as consciousness flows outward from the inward center. It is the construct of the psyche system one can use to assimilate the shadow which is the conditioned inferior personality always possible to be assimilated into conscious awareness. Without the ego, connections cannot be made to other inlaid and more complex structures the psyche builds, like the Animus/Anima...the Kore...logos/eros...libido/archetypalenergy..unconscious/subconscious..etc..

In my opinion from studying Jung most of the last 25 years...the ego is pivotal in importance to the assimilation of psychic components into the experience of psychic wholeness and absolute well-being which comes from entering into your own personal and individualized survival pattern....


Mikal

[Mohan.C]

If we read books of poetry, or drama or even science for that matter, before the subject matter is presented, the life of the author is given as an introduction or a preface. Its not I guess for no reason, or just for advertising the author, its because to understand in what perspective the author has written the book the author's life needs to be known, at least the highlights of it.

If we do not understand in what perspective the ideas are presented, the ideas will not carry the intended message or information.

[Mikal]

I never miss the introduction or preface. At an earlier point in my life the introduction was not mportant but because of alot of growth on my part, I became aware that the introduction is expressely important to the nature of the book and how its ideas will affect the reader.....


Mikal

[leskey]

...Ideas need an identity for survival, but most of the people follow an identity not the ideas, which again is according to me ignorance. Because unknowingly it is the ideas we are following, and we need to recognize that.

What I wish to finally say is that, we follow ideas and not identity, but ideas need an identity for survival.

Hi, Mohan.

Throughout history humankind has proven that it follows identity.

I agree with that without identity there would be no ideas: ego and self-expression go hand-in-hand. What should always be in question, though, is motivation...

Humans have the capacity to alter and create; but, can we express ourselves without instigating harm to existing natural processes and/or living organisms?

For the ego to harmoniously exist within the given parameters it should then, by extension, have the capacity to action change through the exercise of altruistic and holistic processes.

If the human mind has developed to its current stage as a survival strategy in response to circumstantial adversity, will it take even greater adversity to initiate the next evolution of mind?

[Mohan.C]

I don't think mind evolves as a whole. I mean, it happens individually. That is the reason why every idea is different. But physically all are almost same, because physical evolution happens in like all of mankind ( in human's and all the species if we consider all life forms).

[leskey]

Hi, Mohan.

I don't think mind evolves as a whole. I mean, it happens individually. That is the reason why every idea is different. But physically all are almost same, because physical evolution happens in like all of mankind ( in human's and all the species if we consider all life forms).

"There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we don't know." Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

Mohan, when physical evoltion is proved beyond a doubt, I'll believe in it. If it were possible to know the mind of someone from the ancient past, despite their innate intelligence, you'd find that in many aspects our perspectives have changed greatly (that's not to say that what they knew is not of value). One aspect of this change occurred with the ability to read the written word - an ability that has continually been augmented and enhanced to the present day...

Modern society can only enjoy it's on-going, relatively high standards (social evolution) due to the combined efforts of many individuals: we have been gradually undergoing an evolution of mind.

Mind does seem to have some inarguable, collective traits, ie familial, cultural...why not the most obvious? The one identity all we share: humanity. All that has been lacking is the ability to communicate "collectively."

This fast-developing ability to communicate also happens co-incide with the single, greatest population of humans to ever co-exist: all with their own individual perspectives, talents, ideas, etc. Hypothetically speaking, there is staggering potential in this...and isn't it why we're all here at TOE Quest?

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[Mohan.C]

Hi, Mohan.


"There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we don't know." Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

Mohan, when physical evoltion is proved beyond a doubt, I'll believe in it. If it were possible to know the mind of someone from the ancient past, despite their innate intelligence, you'd find that in many aspects our perspectives have changed greatly (that's not to say that what they knew is not of value). One aspect of this change occurred with the ability to read the written word - an ability that has continually been augmented and enhanced to the present day...

Modern society can only enjoy it's on-going, relatively high standards (social evolution) due to the combined efforts of many individuals: we have been gradually undergoing an evolution of mind.

Mind does seem to have some inarguable, collective traits, ie familial, cultural...why not the most obvious? The one identity all we share: humanity. All that has been lacking is the ability to communicate "collectively."

This fast-developing ability to communicate also happens co-incide with the single, greatest population of humans to ever co-exist: all with their own individual perspectives, talents, ideas, etc. Hypothetically speaking, there is staggering potential in this...and isn't it why we're all here at TOE Quest?

I didn't say mind doesn't evolve, but since every perspective is different. Evolution if it happens in an individual will be different from every other individual, but we don't see much difference in physical evolution, some are more evolved some are less evolved is not true in physical evolution, except is some cases. But, the thoughts of each individual is different.

I don't think thoughts of two individuals can ever match perfectly. If it has to then the perspective in which the thought is examined should be same, which can never be made perfectly similar.

[leskey]

Evolution if it happens in an individual will be different from every other individual, but we don't see much difference in physical evolution, some are more evolved some are less evolved is not true in physical evolution, except is some cases...

Yes...interesting, that...probably the main reason I have difficulty with the concept...LOL!

...But, the thoughts of each individual is different.

I don't think thoughts of two individuals can ever match perfectly. If it has to then the perspective in which the thought is examined should be same, which can never be made perfectly similar.

I may have been obscure about individuality and uniqueness. To clarify: individuality has the propensity to be divisive; whereas uniqueness is to be valued and is therefore inclusive.

Once that is understood, it means the possiblity exists to be united in our humanity...however, to date, it has proven difficult to accomplish.