It's All About The Money

[SB_UK]

from #4 of 5 on Youtube of TP's link

'none are more imprisoned than those who falsely believe themselves to be free'
Goethe

We do rather hear about the joys of living in the free world,
of democracy
and liberty for citizens -

- though don't ever stop to think that we're actually being sold a system in prison by fear of descent into solitary confinement in chains.

The prison guards are to be found within all of our selves -
realised as Institutional power -
of which the National legal, financial and political systems are our problem.

Science, art and technology crosses geographical boundary; whoever decided that law, economics and politics shouldn't - would inevitably have been the lawyer, banker and politician with vested interest against.

Vested interest against -
- the weakness of man -

the weakness of man -
- to pursue selfish self-interest
- the nature of optimization of the animal abstraction layer
(cf
the selfish gene)
- a mechanism for behaviour which went out of style 30,000 years ago -
- and which our mind has been struggling to realise.

~*~

The system which we aspire to is individual autonomy -
freedom
- which permits the individual to live happily without actual need for any other person.

Our current landscape is filled with red tape hidden behind red words which're understood only by those with the time to study their meaning.

Experts arise from Obfuscation -
- the individual is made to believe what he hears -

- because how on Earth would he know any differently?

If one cannot understand another language -
no matter the intelligence of the individual -
- one cannot understand that other language.

~*~

The solution to all of our problems -
(see above)


... ... ... and put the onus back on the individual -

the individual needs to be stimulated -
- and all people feel 'bad' -
(in themselves)
- if they/we themselves believe that our/their existence on planet 'blue and green' is of net detriment to our collective society -

'all taking and no giving' censored by individual morality.

- then we/they will try as hard as they/we
can
to improve the collective environment -

- the (financial) system described immediately above is merely an affirmation of true
- as opposed to legacy animal (which the current economic system supports)
human spirit

- people want to do the right thing -
- forcing people to do the wrong thing using a workplace in debtedness chain$ -
will (and is) fail/ing

and about time too.

~*~

- Solution -

Give everybody the same amount of 'moolah'
- and let people go off and find sustainable mechanisms for 'upping' the love -

- the mechanism will involve people working together -
*wanting* to work together -

- as equal parties.

No more advertising, marketing, misleading packaging, antisocial legal small print on the backpage of the manual protecting the corporation's concerns when the 'thing' breaks shortly after negotiating the box -

(kiddy toys cemented into boxes ... anybody

NO! - you can't return the nasty overpriced toy if you've opened the packaging !

--- #1 --- company policy

Mandatory 28 day money back guarantees on all products ---
- sole requirement - a receipt which states purchase within the last 28 days (year?).)
If the thing is no longer of use or breaks within 28 days (to a year) -
- then the company's

on a one way trip to nothingness

none of that

money should be subservient to people -
- the whole idea of wage slavery is nonsense

money should be subservient to people -
- where people just want to have fun
- we're evolved interfaced neurones
where 'fun' translates to sustainable scaleable (our mind builds) neural stimulation.

[SB_UK]

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[SB_UK]

"sweat equity"

like for like
- poetry for potatoes
- requires some mechanism for objective assessment of quality.

Is the poem worth 150g equivalent of unblemished local potatoes
- or not?

Just toooo difficult.

~*~

Thinkin' - let's just pay everybody the same amount of money
~and~
allow people to hone their innate capacity for human creativity
hone
- towards doing all they can to improve stuff for others
for others on this planet of limiting
blue
and
green
physical
resources.

If his potatoes taste like Ralph the dirty donkey's feet -
- the producer'll find himself sitting on an unloved potato mountain
- and he'll need to seek change for the better for others
generally

~and~

If her poetry
dates -
- with time, the poattoess'll find her community base



migrating to the latest thing -

SMeLlo poetry (for instance) -
- proudly presented by the W3c internal rrreality standardization committee.

Horse manure
oh horse manure
ohhh ma nure

(goin' out to Yukonites everywhere
- the Yukon around)

- and she'll have to mobilize that creativity to
dunno'

ooo ... ... errr!

... ... how about taste?

so sweet and pure.

yep
- yukky and in poor taste

[SB_UK]

Fixed wage -
- fixed amount of money in circulation

growth -> maintenance (sustainability)

Maintenance (sustainability)
-- cannot be realised with the current economic system (growth supportive only)
-- cannot be realised without a global economic system which supports sustainable behaviour
- where that system 'd be a guaranteed wage from birth to death to all in a one~world e-currency.

Reward resourcefulness beyond physical resources.

The volume of money in circulation
(then)
fixed
on the global population -

- as the World population readies itself for decline -
- we're in particular need of introducing an economic system which won't collapse upon ... ... ...
- which is able to both accommodate and support a hitherto unprecedented contraction in the global population of blue and pink humanoidal structures.

[SteveA]

The videos explains the problem nicely -
- as I write I can hear

banking as a 'not for profit endeavour'
- sounds right

Banking (financial services) do not represent a valid mechanism for making money.

TP -
thanks for that -
I now understand why Britain and America have such large debts -

- such large National debts as an absolute pre-requisite (based around the mechanism which the banking system uses to function)
- to drive growth.

The current system is simply the very definition of unsustainability -
even worse than 'Monopoly' money
- because at least Monopoly money supply ceases when we run out of trees.

I don't think banking itself causes the problems. It's the system that the banks are pressured into that causes them to inherit the problem.

(As usual, I could ramble on, but it's probably best to say that nature doesn't appear to have made things east and ultimately, due to that fact that these social institutions and customs arise from people, the core of it arises from human limitations and the conflicts that arise from being naturally constrained to acting within environmental limits, though without them there would be little holding together such social structures - apparently a tradeoff, but I'd hazard a guess things would be better off with room to expand, then again, if the Earth isn't large enough - on the other hand, it appears to be plenty if people could learn to "get along" and the ultimate scarcity may be those boundaries placed upon people by their own desires in conflict with the limits of intelligence).

Whether or not people can agree on specific manners to resolve some of the problems isn't specifically relevant if they can recognize that people need a freedom to pursue these and realize the natural consequences of them - (we can't, even collectively, legislate what opinion natural laws should have of some human pursuit, but we can try to restrict any additional unnecessary or undesired social challenges beyond this).

Fundamentally, if people had a greater ability to disassociate with those social institutions they viewed as harmful or damaging to them (these should be voluntary), I think likely 80% or more of the political and economic problems people tend to see, disappear. In reference to your post, the banks would likely detach themselves from government regulation and this would initially cause problems as many "saved" resources would be taken by some banks, but in the long run, the illusion that such resources were secure would be seen threw and only the most reliable savings institutions would survive the increasingly critical public view of them.

There's really very little tangible value in paper pushing and when it's seen how many people make their living from paperwork of one form or another, there's obviously a problem (in my opinion - and I'd hazard over half the paperwork I personally do in a year is either directly or indirectly generated by requirements to meet some government requirement for paper trails and generating a sufficient supply of "red tape" or doing the dreaded tax paperwork each year and hoping you didn't make a mistake etc.).

[SB_UK]

~

'chasing our trails'

Endearing - when puppies.

Two types of science - physics and tax collecting.

Good housekeeping presumes there's something worth stealing
- was never the point.

[SB_UK]

I don't think banking itself causes the problems. It's the system that the banks are pressured into that causes them to inherit the problem.

Inheritance of a problem would bring sympathy -

Based around the plush city of London, Wall Street and city and state Tax Havens
- there appears to be some enjoyment (to the net detriment of all others around them) of the problem they're inheriting.

The banking system (were bankers earning the local average wage) would have been deserving of help -
as it is though -
- no help should be forthcoming -

the entire financial 'industry' needs to be returned to state (one world) ownership -
- leading (inevitably) to the entire private sector being Nationalised

- with University (completely open) Departments
(a culture of collaboration) acting as the research base for commercialization.

No good comes from the drive to patent (which describes the private sector) -

Yesterday for instance -
struggling with a proprietary connection to a second hand LG phone -
- which I couldn't connect to a Linux machine because of Windows only software -
- to discover after giving up that my newish Sony camcorder generates files in a non-standard format (.mt2s) and the bundled software ??? doesn't ??? allow video editing -
- and that there's no simple free video editing software available.

So many formats
- So many proprietary concerns

So many perfect synonyms for the same word -

- and yet when we attempt to standardize -
costs up --- and --- regulation fails.

Regulation can't succeed in a global corporation-scape which thrives upon *proprietary*
- even now -
- shelves and shelves of proprietary
(all slightly different)
vacuum cleaner bags in electrical appliance stores.

We don't need a zillion vacuum cleaners -
we don't actually even need one (dust pans and brush rule)
- though if we ??? did -
- how about low energy consumption, sufficiently functional, potentially upgradeable and infinitely repairable.
If somebody did want to spend money on a vacuum cleaner - it's a mistake that society should help them never to make

infinitely repairable

again.

Regulators need there to be problems
- to keep themselves in jobs
- to make a case to their 'supe' for greater resources
- more staff
- implying that the boss needs to give mini-supe
~aka~ the dupe
- a pay rise -
- a pay rise for all of the extra work which comes with supervising more people -
'cept more people means more people for the dupe to delegate his work to -
- the pointless middle manager (the governmental civil servant) results.

Pointless selfish private corporation workers -
Pointless selfish public corporation workers -
pointless pointless people
is the commnonality here.

Pay everybody the same salary though and all of this goes away -
if we're all guaranteed the same wage -
watch as people ditch the dumb
for
~fun~
- the natural tendency in a world without money would be towards fun.

Middle managers and their obfuscating ways.
How very very

yawn

dull.

The private office of utility only in allowing the middle manager to shield his VDU from public scrutiny.
As David Brent teaches us -
it's notta' even on.

~*~

The problem is that the current economic system encourages consumerism -
- a company has no interest in selling a product which lasts -
- because that'd hurt its balance sheet.

Sell Sell Sell!

It's of greater expedience to the current corporation to simply pay for some lawyer to draft up legal protection for the abuse which they then go onto wreak on people -
- lawyers don't particularly care for what's right or wrong -
- as (even) enshrined in the 'Terms and Conditions' of lawyer dealings -
'they must take the case, regardless'
- only amorality results.

The only profession where morality is an absolutely pre-requisite -
- as the only profession where their operating systems absolutely stamp it out.

The arrogant, ignorant, self-opinionated lawyer results
- lawyers make for (and do make) great politicians -
where the politician expressing National self-interest cares more for photo opportunities with richer country leaders -
- than he does for doing the right thing.

Photoshop and a signed photograph of Obama
- the perfect gift for a lesser World leader of your choosing
(this Christmas).

Politicians unlike puppies aren't for life -
certainly aren't 'for Christmas'
can't we jus' lock 'em in a doghouse and throw 'em tomatoes.

~*~

... ... ... which is to say that it's all (current societal structure) nonsense.

[SB_UK]

1. One fixed wage to all in a one~world currency
2. Ban debt (enforcing - living within our means)
3. All banking transactions are open
   - with only one~world electronic currency transactions being permitted
4. One~world ownership of all physical property (houses,raw materials ~etc~)

The current economic system (year on year increases in the stock market) will fail
when the rate of global population growth hits a threshold (??? point of inflexion ???) on its (current) downwards trajectory.

Growth proportional to demand proportional to number of people (consumers)

[SB_UK]

Finding a solution to money is the key problem which we face.

It represents a much more difficult problem than any other I've ever seen raised -
- because it requires people to confront their lower selves -
to face a particularly barbaric module (from human perspective) -
a barbaric module which seeks to ensure individual gain at the cost of any and all others.

Having written many on the subject -
- the standard response appears to be
'yes, it is a problem isn't it' -

- hardly a solution.

~*~

I don't know if money can exist -
I have no vested interest in making out that money is bad
- I have enough (not being able to spend it means that it does rather accumulate).

I've waited and read up on this subject for years now -
- and can't find any mechanism to twist the current system into something which'll works.

~*~

Simply -

--- (i) ---
work needs to be fun -
- people cannot work for money

--- (ii) ---
until wise (a state of mind which is realised on completion of a specific neural circuit)
- people are incapable of behaving morally -
the 'selfish' drive -
- as a consequence of our evolutionary development -
dominates.

We need a financial system which protects us against ourselves.

~*~

I've explained points (i) and (ii) away
- over and over again -
- will do so again if you like.

~*~

Explicitly -
if (i) and (ii) are correct -
there's no question that change is past urgently required.

My 4 point suggestion from earlier in this thread works (I think).

~*~

Just the first few reasons (finding it difficult to concentrate at the moment) which spring to mind of why we need to introduce those measures :

(a) To stop money being a motivation (people won't choose a boring 9-5pm if the money paid is the same regardless).

(b) To Stamp out corruption (companies won't be able to hide their money in a tax haven).

(c) To ensure that we're all working for each other -
if we've the same buying power then nobody'll be able to buy expensive products because nobody'll have the money.

(d) To eradicate the private sector -
since the public and private sector split really does not work.
In the UK - the private sector is populated by products of public education -
just doesn't make sense does it.

(e) To stop the unrelenting explosion in proprietary products, connections ~etc~
- the desire to make money twists into imprisoning one's customer base

ToE will be realised as we deal with money -
a large part of the problem for us not being able to (as a species) understand the nature of ToE -
is that the mind which deals (enjoys) money -
cannot handle the abstraction which ToE brings.

~*~

The Earth once did not exist.
A simple geometric process of evolution confers everything which we see around us
(including our mind).
There is nothing complicated in reality -

- but that doesn't mean that if some guy invents a brand new language tomorrow
- that the rest of us will be able to speak it instantaneously.

We're confusing bad design with complexity -
- where the only solution which will work for our species is to return proper design into human dealings -
- we need properly architected systems -
with the strongest of emphases on
sustainability (for physical resources)
and
scaleability (for informational).

Apologies if this post jumps -
- really cannot concentrate.

~*~

Solving money (at every level from the individual to the global system) is the only problem which man need face.

No other subject of conversation matters at all.

Explicitly -
- no other subject matters at all -
no other subject will be harder to address -
- no other subject, when addressed will have such tremendous positive consequences for human society.

(head throbbing in pain - stoppin' there - sorry)

[SB_UK]

I should add that my experience around human beings has been wholly negative -
I don't particularly like human beings -
- I don't particularly like the arrogance which characterizes all men who open their mouths and would be heard.

The people whose faces you see on television are the problem - aggressive barking dogs which the moral mind needs to put down - out of their (and our) misery.

Not an exaggeration -
have long since reached the point where given the choice I'd press the large red button marked
'destroy everything'

- there is nothing good here.

~*~

Would be lovely to hear a suggestion on how to bring about change ?