East Meets West Logic...

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Collected papers of Charles Sanders Peirce, Volume 1

By Charles Sanders Peirce, Charles Hartshorne, Paul Weiss

Sections 44-48 (pages 19-21) inclusive only read.

These 5 paragraphs are exactly correct.

In summary
- the association between creativity (imagination,the human mind) and the revelation of pure science to generate an understanding (sequential gestalt structuring of the collective mind);

Pure science to generate an understanding
- Not lab coats for green back.

~*~

Understanding differs from knowledge (structured data) in that it is characterized by an associative hierarchical structure of knowledge.

Understanding (reflective) confers the mind with the capacity to manipulate the layers from which it is itself built.

data [sensed] -<- knowledge [recognized - complementary] -<- understanding [connected afferent -><- recognition]
Three intertwined hierarchies which form into a single structure (reference om - the structure of emergence).

Suggestion
Understanding (spiritual) [knowledge (mental) -> <- data (physical)] as structured knowledge.
Knowledge [recognition of gold] as hierarchically structured data.
Data [eg lump of gold] as hierarchically structured 'stuff of physics'.

We needn't waste our time learning everybody's first name -
instead should work out the exact mechanistic process by which all of reality (man removed from the equation - regenerated and then re-introduced) is formed.

'The scientific imagination dreams of explanation and laws***'

*** laws which the human being had no part in putting into place; therein lies the God delusion of the people who operate all of our various nasty, arrogant human legal systems.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

And here's the problem as stated first by C.S.Peirce in his paper "Fixation of Belief" back in the early years of his long scientific career. "What is the exact scientific method, we shall settle on to measure the human spirit, and truth...?"(paraphrased by me). Notice measure is highlighted, so do we use mathematical decibles, to measure the force of the human spirit and truth, or what...? Or do we let the pure math decide the facts, since it's independent of man's fallible nature, as Peirce suggested...? I choose the scientific method of 'mathematical facts' to decide all logic and truth...

What's your choice...?

Collected papers of Charles Sanders Peirce, Volume 1

By Charles Sanders Peirce, Charles Hartshorne, Paul Weiss

Sections 44-48 (pages 19-21) inclusive only read.

These 5 paragraphs are exactly correct.

In summary
- the association between creativity (imagination,the human mind) and the revelation of pure science to generate an understanding (sequential gestalt structuring of the collective mind);

Pure science to generate an understanding
- Not lab coats for green back.[There is Yet, no other solution to feed the world...]

~*~

Understanding differs from knowledge (structured data) in that it is characterized by an associative hierarchical structure of knowledge.

Suggestion
Understanding (spiritual) [knowledge (mental) -> <- data (physical)] as structured knowledge.
Knowledge [recognition of gold] as hierarchically structured data.
Data [eg lump of gold] as hierarchically structured 'stuff of physics'.

We needn't waste our time learning everybody's first name -
instead should work out the exact mechanistic process by which all of reality (man removed from the equation - regenerated and then re-introduced) is formed.[Pure mathematical, geometric progression__But we do not have the provable math of__Yet...]



*** laws which the human being had no part in putting into place; therein lies the God delusion of the people who operate all of our various nasty, arrogant human legal systems.

The Inverse Square Law of Value__The more concentrated money is, the less value it distributes. The more distributed money is, the more value it distributes...(Scientific facts...)

Law and money isn't the problem__Human stupidity Is the problem... I Hate stupidity, just as much as I Hate War, Poverty and Crime, as stupidity causes All War, Poverty and Crime...rrr

Also, the inverse square law of mass, is gravity...

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__Human stupidity Is the problem...

Exactly -
- but no system can work as long as human stupidity reigns supreme.

When human beings realise that there are 5 - 10 billion other people just like them in every way -
- and that they all want the same thing -

then we'll all be in a frame of mind to determine a system which might work.

And might that system be fully computerized -
Yes.

But not for the reason of preventing human corruption from destroying the planet -
solely for the reason of permitting a system to run without a human being being tasked with a boring desk job which involves stamping his computer screen.

Before any system is introduced we need to eliminate human stupidity (and hence the threat of corruption)
prior
to generating an optimal mathematical, geometric, computerized, open, transparent, autonomous machine (which'll (of course) be nothing like the artificial intelligence which seized ahold in Terminators I - III)

- about the most damage it'll be allowed to wreak is adding 50 cents erroneously to your online account.

Unlikely to see a blockbusting sci-fi Trilogy called 'The Calculator'.



Not even a low budget TV series.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Simple solution, already present above__Math eliminates human stupidity__when methodically('Methodicity') applied to information and knowledge systems__Just apply it...!!! The scientific method of math applied to the investigation of all information and knowledge(pseudo-knowledge until math is applied) systems, solves all world problems, while eliminating human stupidity...rrr

It just seems it's too simple for people to see. Not all the math of evolution is required to solve man's Earth problems, as man structurally created these problems, himself__This means he has the mathematical means to solve these trivial problems of wrong money and law systems__into right money and right law systems...rrr

It's all in my e-mail signature: The Triadic Maxim___Any Idea; “Arithmetically check all possible effects, against all possible premises, and the combined results will be the total actions of the idea.” __which is no more than Peirce's pragmatic maxim and ideas interpreted mathematically...

Exactly -
- but no system can work as long as human stupidity reigns supreme.

When human beings realise that there are 5 - 10 billion other people just like them in every way -
- and that they all want the same thing -

then we'll all be in a frame of mind to determine a system which might work.

And might that system be fully computerized -
Yes.

But not for the reason of preventing human corruption from destroying the planet -
solely for the reason of permitting a system to run without a human being being tasked with a boring desk job which involves stamping his computer screen.

Before any system is introduced we need to eliminate human stupidity (and hence the threat of corruption)[Then remove stupidity with math__it's simple enough, and eliminates human fallibility. I did this years ago, and that's how I was able to develop a true system of sustainably feeding the planet. I've just had the problem of others' resistence to the mathematical possible truths of the middle path__Still the same problem, but__True and honest Math paves the Middle Way Path...]
prior[Gone, as per above...]
to generating an optimal mathematical, geometric, computerized, open, transparent, autonomous machine (which'll (of course) be nothing like the artificial intelligence which seized ahold in Terminators I - III)

- about the most damage it'll be allowed to wreak is adding 50 cents erroneously to your online account.

Unlikely to see a blockbusting sci-fi Trilogy called 'The Calculator'.[How about__'The Wisdom Machine']?



Not even a low budget TV series.

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From Peirce (above)

artscience
art / |
art / | \ business

is INCORRECT.

It should read:

artscience
art / |
art / | \ engineer


I don't believe that we need politician, lawyer or banker.

~*~

Lawyer, politician and banker seed only {hate, divisiveness and inequality}

- scientists, engineers and artists
come up with stuff like the
hardware, software and data
which make up the ipod touch (which I don't have) but which (I'm guessing) has the makings of being a lot of fun.

The start of something new.

Breaking that whole fixation for hardware and acquiring not one, not two but 50,000 books after a 5 minute download (on a nifty broadband connection mind you).

[Lloyd Gillespie]

From Peirce (above)

artscience
art / |
art / | \ business

is INCORRECT.

It should read:

artscience
art / |
art / | \ engineer

I don't believe that we need politician, lawyer or banker.

Then who's gonna' play 'happy checkers', with the laws and money...???rrr

The Inverse Square Law of Value__The more concentrated money is, the less value it distributes. The more distributed money is, the more value it distributes...(Scientific facts...)

This is a universal law, it can't be interpreted fully from the micro(particular) perspective. It must be interpreted as an "All Nations" systems' perspective__The Macro-Methodicity of Total Systems' Actions__then the proper Peirce/Keynes' ontological probability laws can be applied__mathematically, sucessfully...

This universal law applies to all human and mechanical sytems' values...

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Then who's gonna' play 'happy checkers', with the laws and money...???rrr

Lawyer, politican and banker have served their last term and must now serve out their remaining time on a maximum security spaceship where they'll take it in turns to be the important one who gets to make the rules which the others must follow.

Rule#1 No rule can ever be repealed.

This whole exercise will be funded by donations from Earthling scientists, artists and engineers who'll be able to tune into a live daily 'fly on the wall' style presentation which'll keep us all updated on the current administration's new rules and on their ever more destructive methods aimed at ensuring compliance.

Resistance is futile.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Lawyer, politican and banker have served their last term and must now serve out their remaining time on a maximum security spaceship where they'll take it in turns to be the important one who gets to make the rules which the others must follow.

Rule#1 No rule can ever be repealed.

This whole exercise will be funded by donations from Earthling scientists, artists and engineers who'll be able to tune into a live daily 'fly on the wall' style presentation which'll keep us all updated on the current administration's new rules and on their ever more destructive methods aimed at ensuring compliance.

Resistance is futile.

Resistance to correct 'Mathematical Methodicity' is futile...rrr

Take the first part of the 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' movie, which is correct about only principle being printed, and interest being fought for to eventual necessity of wars, and this is true__But now, mathematically design it's feasible replacement__and you get the whole picture...

P.s.
I'll have to go back and read your other posts, as they just showed up on my computer. Must have been on another of Robert's computers, and finally posted...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Trying and failing to find a place for money.

But but but ... ...
How can we dismantle all Institutions and then expect anything to be achieved ?
--- simple ---
- we dismantle all human (fundamentally flawed) Institutions and then replace them by a natural Institution which is based around the Trinity progression.

The Trinity progression is simply the definition of the most efficient architecture - may be used to apply to every structure -
- provides us with a building block upon which we have the capacity for human engineering to develop constructs for other human beings -
constructs which'll scale.

Scalable and Sustainable.

I've highlighted in green what we are in agreement about... We must have a replacement scalable and sustainable system__of sort to be decided...

What you state about what needs dismantling though, is far less, imo, than you may realize, to achieve what both of us want__By using a proper 'Scientific Mathematical Methodicity'...rrr

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Sorry
- I really can't see the need for money in the very near future.

Then if you see no need for money in the very near future, Please explain how the global food and water supplies, plus all other survival necessities, will be successfully distributed__Because we ain'ta' gonna' educate the non-wanna-be-educateds' to the spiritual realities of goodness__It ain'ta' happening, no matter how much desire you may have for such a reality__Na Da, most do not want to be educated. In fact, many detest education, and the educated__I know, as I choose to live in these communities, to keep myself more grounded to the majority's realities__That's just true experience. And further, the educated, and wanna-be-educated, are still a real severe minority...rrr