East Meets West Logic...

[SB_UK]

"Reasoning is related to esthetic self-control and criticism." The use of 'esthetic' has confounded me, as it merely the US spelling of the British variant aesthetic. However, used in this context it appears to be the misspelling of 'ascetic' - and, if not, it is closely aligned.

Definition of ascetic: practicing strict self-denial as a measure of personal and especially spiritual discipline; austere in appearance, manner, or attitude.

I have this problem also.

I think that esthetic may relate to a very real though 'hidden' connection between abstraction levels.

1 _ 2 /3
1 _ 2 \4
1 _ |

5 _ 6 /7
1 _ 2 \8

The connection between 2 and 6 in red
~ for instance ~
the nucleus of the atom and the nucleus of the cell (on a higher abstraction layer).

~*~

Currently having the following problem.

I'm going to simplify in order to make the point.

--- The mind wants something.

--- The mind gets what it wants by flipping in between logic and emotion (emotion - how the idea feels is the test of whether the idea tends towards being true).

--- Emotion tends to downplay the logical process
- for instance the statement 'I know what I want'

--- The logical process tends to downplay emotion
- for instance the Vulcan characterization of emotion as being bad (being counter-logic).

So ... ... ... we've the intuitively appealing idea that emotion and logic are necessary to one another to allow the creative scientific mind to function
- and that both must exist within the mind of the scientist in order to avoid the pitfalls which come from imbalance in either.

Next then - expose the mind to all aspects of reality and then task the mind with using the mind's (far greater than any programmed electronic device) innate capacity to crunch data -
task the mind with sorting out the data into order.

The important part of this idea is that at no point must imbalance be allowed to occur between logic and emotion.

Given this scenario, the mind is placed within an optimal environment to work out what the actual question we're seeking to ask is.

The logical mind wants a step by step notation based method to claim 'provability'
- the emotional mind wants the solution to feel right

- though only the emotionally and logically balanced mind which has been fed with all available data can arrive at a solution which satisfies both duals of the coin.

ToE leads us to a geometric progression which can be (if we'd like) plugged into a calculus - and reports back a solution which is appealing to those who prefer their solutions to 'feel' right.

And the answer to life, the Universe and everything is?

One process of nature (self-assembly) which motivates its evolving species by the desire to realise ever greater freedom from their current state.

We've much more freedom now than we've had previously -
though it feels as though it doesn't feel that way.

The trick to solving this problem coming from realising that the mind (the balanced logical / emotional) structure is complete (full to brimming).


1 _ 2 /3
1 _ 2 \4
1 _ |

5 _ 6 /7
1 _ 2 \8

1 _ |

9 _10 / 11
1 _ 2 \ 12


9, 10, 11 and 12 await.


~*~

And so to summarise -
the greatest problem we've faced is over-obfuscation in systems (through esoteric notation and the private corporation patent)
- resulting in us losing the capacity to think.

~*~

And when one can think
- what kinda' thoughts occur?

The key thought'd be how does one define a sustainable global system which factors in scalable methodologies for fun for (predominantly) future generations.

The solution comes in realising that there are two abstraction layers -

physical [emotional] versus mental [logical]

- and that only when both sets of needs are met can people be happy -

- where happiness is a species attribute -
whereby locking oneself away in a country whilst hoarding all necessary life critical raw materials
just won't cut it.

ToE appears to be reporting back the nature of the human mind as being a species level construct -
necessitating that no individual member of the species can ever be happy whilst any other is not having their physical and mental needs catered for.

~*~

Even more simply
- and not particularly contentious given what we know about the human dopaminergic system.

local physical needs met + local mental needs met
- > leads to ->
global spiritual need met.

That I'm sure that -
- there ain't no happiness for nobody until 'all for one and one for all'

where 'all for one and one for all' is to be interpreted as nothing more than all people working towards a state in which all physical and mental needs are met by all people.

We all know the very little which people need (on the physical level) (food,water and heat)
and
how a computer containing easily digestible information can supply the other

- not so much to ask -

in return yours - a potential Heaven on Earth.

~*~

It's interesting to note that the battle of the sexes generally rages on the battleground of 'emotion versus logic'
- shouldn't come as any surprise that much as we expect to observe in a happily married couple

- that only upon balanced duality between man and woman
- between emotion and logic -
does our solution arise.

Also interestingly - my observation is that duality between 'emotion and logic' in man and woman results in a peculiar reciprocity in which man and woman acquire the capacity to change from one predominant state (either emotion or logic) to the other -
- with his or her partner changing reciprocally.

The image of a N-S bar magnet switching sides (randomly) comes to mind.

If this form of duality were to scale
- one can easily imagine a species sharing a common set of goals
~that is~
that at duality between emotion and logic we arrive at global (species) convergence -
from which point
... ... and back around ... ...

9, 10, 11 and 12 await.

~*~

The repetitive motif in my posts must reflect convergence in individual (people) tendencies
- I'm attempting to explain that if all paths lead to the idea of the generation of a balanced duality between what we call emotion and logic -
and if (which we can) - we can find an 'emotion' and a 'logic' on any evolutionary level -

- then

... ... and back around ... ...

9, 10, 11 and 12 await.

A circular (recursive) model of evolution which operates to generate complexity through engineered hierarchical duality.

[SB_UK]

[LINK] image of the medical symbol - doesn't show
3-\...........andCV............\_/
3-\...........andCV............( )

With the ) and CV............( )
With the )

representing the balancing hierarchical duality [emotion,physical and logic,mental] giving rise to -\ or \_/e

Trying to suggest that

physical + mental -> spiritual
is the commonality which characterizes each stage of the evolutionary series.

The Spiritual state providing us with the experiential perspective which is referenced by the term 'Back to the garden'.

note similarly - the duality with wave representation of balance in between the duality in

[LINK] image of yin yang - doesn't show

~*~

From the 3 images above the duality and the result of balanced duality is defined in terms which appeal to intuition - representing multiple perspectives in on the same geometry in motion.

Physical seeds Mental (as the general rule)
- Longitudinal seeds Transverse in the underlying brane from which our familiar Universe of action (of structure) is seeded.

The connection between Longitudinal and Transverse wave leading to the dual between Sound and Light (respectively)
- a particular favourite duality of mine given the Holy graphics and sound card within a (soon to be realised) portable dream PC.

A vision for all to enjoy -
the species, our species
the 'all species' imperative.

~*~

All of which leading us to the experiential perspective offered in AD(H)D.

AD(H)D -> physical -> emotional
ADD-Inattentive -> mental -> logical

ADHD as a statement of desire of the mind for stimulation -
with the express desire of completing generation of a structure which thereafter places no particular demand on either physical or mental stimulation -
ved -anta

- meditation (an empty mind) in a seated position (devoid of physical activity).

~*~

We've rather confused the utensils with the food.

[SB_UK]

meaning that reality is *this* simple
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Evolution by

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->- 'synchrony in wave left to right' [physics,physical,emotional,longitudinal]

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... where it's really difficult not to keep getting 'em the wrong way around in yer' 'ed.

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lola.

[SB_UK]

In summary then

physical and mental as a statement of the fundamental duality - absolute requirement of both for change
- however Mother Earth 'll survive quite happily without the male influence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakti



- man to be considered a female plaything.

... ... where (to be fair) - this idea shouldn't be taken as proof of one gender being better than the other -
instead
- as a statement of male/female equality as being a fundamental truth in (the process of self-assembly which characterizes) reality.

Change being necessary for the evolutionary process to ensue (after all).

[SB_UK]

East Meets West Logic...

Female dominance versus Male dominance giving way to the balanced duality
- in which debating gender dominance is seen as more than pointless
- more than pointless moreso downright damaging.

Although the terms male and female are being used (generally here) in their container class form rather than in their usual narrow sense to identify gender female and gender male

- it's interesting how gender female and gender male appear to look so similar at the two extremities (birth and old age) of life.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Problem of All's Modern Assessments of Duality__It Never Truly Exists...

There exists no true balanced duality...
There exists only a balanced triality...
There exists only truth from self, to goal, to system functions...
The esthetic goal__emergent/evolutional rationality and order...

Why duality never exists:
(your example)
~~~
~~~
~~~except you forget the sheet of assertions, upon which your assertions are written__The background is a page, always representing the third leg of the triality, whether from the Riddle of the Sphinx, or the background aether of the waves. Nothing in existence, can exist in a state less than triality__Never, Ever, Ever__Never... Everybody modern seems to want to keep forgetting the bare requirements of reality__X/X=1+IEE.

Your assessment of:

physical + mental -> spiritual

is the commonality which characterizes each stage of the evolutionary series.

(and
AD(H)D -> physical -> emotional
ADD-Inattentive -> mental -> logical

...is extremely incomplete. The mind always exists in the triadic state of:
1.The truly geo-bio-physical -> Fields to Beings...
2.The emotional physical -> Feelings...
3.The physical logical -> Esthetic System's Goals...
(esthetics = the most admirable, defined as pure and real physical goals, to improve all mental goals, hopes and dreams...)(for Leskey and others...)

When you leave any of the absolutely fundamental triad out, you are not talking about a functional reality__You are only talking about pseudo-academic reality__Reality is always a minimum of a 'Triadicity...'

Reality absolutely requires the triadic understanding of the full emergent evolution of pure innate 'anarchic'(too free) soul into mature 'caring' intellect, through its third leg of Esthetic Goals(can easily be Leskey's 'Duty of Caring Law')...

"When the soul transitions its freedom into liberty, it becomes intellect."

"Freedom and the evil geometry of the soul__Liberty and the sacred geometry of the mind."

"Perception is the backbone of the CNS."

"How the soul becomes intellectual mind__From anarchy and the evil geometry of the soul, to law and the sacred geometry of mind."rrr

In summary then

physical and mental as a statement of the fundamental duality - absolute requirement of both for change
- however Mother Earth 'll survive quite happily without the male influence.

- man to be considered a female plaything.

... ... where (to be fair) - this idea shouldn't be taken as proof of one gender being better than the other -
instead
- as a statement of male/female equality as being a fundamental truth in (the process of self-assembly which characterizes) reality.

Change being necessary for the evolutionary process to ensue (after all).

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The fundamental triality is physical, mental, spiritual__Always...rrr

P.s.
People seem to easily forget we have a partial free will, which separates our bio-mental, from the geo-bio-spiritual/particle/wave motions__The asymmetries of the grand symmetry__The micro-fields, within the macro-fields...

"The simplest thing in the world, is the hardest thing to see__Pseudo-duality/non-duality/oneness, into true triality. The page exists__triality exists."

"Pseudo-duality/non-duality/oneness is a deep blind well. This is why Stage IV mind, and Stage V mind are absolutely required__The Triadic Knower__The True Intuitive Light of Esthetic Physical Triadic Goals, does not exist in Stages I to III minds."

The Triadic Knower:

Pierre Bourdieu...
(note: epistemic relation is the subjective feelings layer, from the known beliefs to knowledge acquisition levels...)

In summary then

physical and mental as a statement of the fundamental duality - absolute requirement of both for change
- however Mother Earth 'll survive quite happily without the male influence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakti



- man to be considered a female plaything.

... ... where (to be fair) - this idea shouldn't be taken as proof of one gender being better than the other -
instead
- as a statement of male/female equality as being a fundamental truth in (the process of self-assembly which characterizes) reality.

Change being necessary for the evolutionary process to ensue (after all).

[racecar]

http://darkmattr.blogspot.com/

don't really know what else to say... other than thanks for being here...guys and gals.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The Triadic Uniter...

Left Brain:

Logical

Sequential

Rational

Analytical

Objective

Looks at parts

Right Brain:

Random

Intuitive

Holistic

Synthesizing

Subjective

Looks at wholes

The above absolutely requires a triadic uniter, i.e., a third force of unification...rrr

[Lloyd Gillespie]

“Pragmatism” (c. 1903) -the phases of self-control: "…of course there are inhibitions and coördinations that entirely escape consciousness. There are, in the next place, modes of self-control which seem quite instinctive. Next, there is a kind of self-control which results from training. Next, a man can be his own training-master and thus control his self-control. When this point is reached much or all the training may be conducted in imagination. When a man trains himself, thus controlling control, he must have some moral rule in view, however special and irrational it may be. But next he may undertake to improve this rule; that is, to exercise a control over his control of control. To do this he must have in view something higher than an irrational rule. He must have some sort of moral principle. This, in turn, may be controlled by reference to an esthetic ideal of what is fine." (CP: 5.533)

"There are no other forms of consciousness except.. Feeling, Altersense, and Medisense. They form a sort of system. Feeling is the momentarily present contents of consciousness taken in its pristine simplicity, apart from anything else. It is consciousness in its first state, and might be called primisense. Altersense is the consciousness of a directly present other or second, withstanding us. Medisense is the consciousness of a thirdness, or medium between primisense and altersense leading from the former to the latter. It is the consciousness of a process of bringing to mind." (CP: 7.551)

Hi Lesley, and great posts. I finally see why your thinking alligns so closely with mine__I believe it's a great deal to do with your studies of semiosis, a branch of epistemology, or the central science of mind, as represented through sign processing. And imo, Charles Sanders Peirce was the world's seminal semiotician, as all the really intelligent minds I find, chase their origins back to either his work, or other major epistemologists/semeoticians all through the ages, clear back to the early Greeks. What sets Peirce apart from all the others, is his returning the semiotic studies back to the triadic studies of the Pythagorean Schools, grounded in the sign processing maths/algebras of Greek, and other earlier culture's geometries.

This allows Peirce to be the most grounded of scientific researchers of the true mechanics of mind and cultures, imo, to ever have existed. I would recommend further studies of sem(i)eotics(Peirce's special spelling, to distinguish his studies from others) be directed toward Peirce, as he's truly America's premier scientist of this powerful and important study...

Imo, no modern thinker compares to Peirce's special understanding of the human mind...

The American architect Louis Sullivan was possibly a contemporary of P(ei)rce...also raised in Massachusetts in the same era.

This quote by Louis Sullivan (1896) was instilled in me as part of my design education:

"It is the pervading law of all things organic and inorganic,
Of all things physical and metaphysical,
Of all things human and all things super-human,
Of all true manifestations of the head,
Of the heart, of the soul,
That the life is recognizable in its expression,
That form ever follows function. This is the law."

Yes, how true, and now iff we could just get the rest of the world to understand this simple, yet most powerful and important law of truth...

My intepretation of the above being, that in all things functiion/purpose/objective precedes form/aesthetics/subjective.

And that is the central tenet of Peirce's Pragmatic Maxim. I often state it as "The Necessary Goal of Our Very Survival." Far too much of modern world thinking has been concerned with the moment, instant gratification now, and to hell with the future__no caring of the goal. Imo, we must re-orient societies to the old and far better order of clearly defined sound goals of more fairness to all__First...

IMO, the problem may lie with a mindset which has followed the evolutionary (randomly manipulated) formation of social structure, now needing to grasp the imperative for a decisive and purposeful design for social structure: global interconnectivity means new rules must apply. (The devil made me do it ).

Couldn't agree more...

Love should be the imperative...wait, Lloyd ...because rather than 'do no harm,' it could equally be translated as a socially contracted Duty of Care, ie acting in the best interests of others within the realms of available knowledge or foreseeability, ie, accepting professional and personal responsibility - the lack of which has been crippling Western society for decades! - MORE.

Loved the way you worked in that foreseeability, because that's what's truly lacking in this 'satisfy me now' modern society/culture/s. Imo, people only need look ever deeper into themselves to see how their own minds truly function, from our innate soul's mental maturity development, into the truly universally caring individuals we should become. It's all there, if they'd but look__but I do think most need a bit of help, due to so much polluted academic nonsense, to wade through. I'd simply suggest starting with the early Greeks geometry and epistemology, and working up to Peirce's personal science studies of minds__and along the way, take a very deep look inside the self__all our essence agents work the same today, as then__Nature hasn't changed them one iota...

If one fails in the Duty of Care, the privilege to practice a profession could be withdrawn and the person/entity must serve the community as that community deems fit.

I look forward to your thoughts...

As the article link you provided states, these are general rules to abide by, but no sound law has ever been drawn up, due to the complexity of applications. I look more into the feasible foreseeability of possibilia's goals, for the structures that will truly circulate back into our areas of caring(the soul), to truly refound the functions of systems, to truly benefit us all__in all particular and universal ways...rrr