East Meets West Logic...

[SB_UK]

Currently struggling with the idea of why do people seem to spend so much time trying to switch off their mind (linear conscious awareness) ?

Meditation, the daydream, extreme sports, riding a bike, the zone in athletics, painting, programming
(for instance)
are all examples of activities which I switch off my mind during.

Any excuse and it's away with the faeries.

For mind to make it past convergence and bearing in mind that kinda' tendency
- we're going to need to extend our own understanding of mind significantly beyond a tool for gaining understanding
(I think)
- away from a single thread of linear conscious awareness.

That model of mind is dying.

ADDF::Stabile

From one thread to multiple concurrent threads ...
~paraphrase~

Perhaps multiple concurrent threads is the model of mind of the future.

However - productivity ?

However, I'd argue that the very vast majority of the work which people perform and which is analysed for productivity is pointless -

- and so a new definition of productivity 'd be needed.

Productivity (in the sense the term is used in economics) feels to me as though it relegates human beings into savagery.
The button pusher on a production line.

The evidence is there - that human beings desire something more.

The daydream (fielding multiple threads of conscious awareness) is particularly satisfying.

In line with LG'S Emerson quote

"Standing on the bare ground__my head bathed by the blithe air, & uplifted into infinite space__all mean egotism vanishes. I become a Transparent Eyeball."

which appears to me to be a re-wording of Huxley's 'opening of the doors of perception'
- I'm ~ ~ ~ drifting ~ ~ ~ towards the idea that we're developing (in the next leg in our evolutionary trajectory) ... ...
- that we're shifting towards a future in which our senses -
most notably eyes and ears are gaining the capacity to extract more information (coherence) from external stimuli.

That our model for mind (gaining an understanding of 'things') is going to change into a desire and appreciation for progressively more 'aesthetic' pleasures or quality of extrinsic afferent neural stimuli.

That we're to find ourselves driven by the desire to create ever more moving art.

Where increased resolution (quality) in the moving sound and moving image will be the technological driver which accompanies our development of ever more moving art driving (in turn) the development of our mind -
~ that is ~
that we're being shunted towards generation of ever more stimulating sound and image with the express intent of (in turn) increasing the complexity of our internal neural circuitry.

An ever improving wireless graphics and sound card wired together is all that I'd list as of potential for future development when confronted by the full list of what most'd consider man's achievements.

So - a new model for mind (the evolved mind) which loses its association with understanding?

The idea feels correct.

Am really struggling with the idea of whether understanding reality is about to run its course.

Just another stage in our evolutionary trajectory
- another stage which we were required to work through.

The image of a World driven by the desire to create and enjoy art is overwhelming
- overwhelmingly pleasant.

Clean, sustainable - nice

~*~

#1331#

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Working on further explanation of post #1327...

Egoistic Emotional Psychological Obstructionism & Egoistic Emotional Logical Obstructionism...

Psychological Intellect / | \ Logical Intellect
Law is the only evolutionary integrator of opposing systems' thinking__The 'methodicity' of law...
Goal = Global 'social creativity' is building better law systems__With the eye firmly fixed, on the 'greatest possible admirable liberty for all__The best order possible...'

One will never get beyond the understanding mind, as the mind of age forces it on oneself. All one can do is go with the flow__But the general flow is toward global understanding__The web makes it even more so__Reduction of complexity__Wiki, bad example, but you get my meaning...rrr

P.s.
And, the global militaries are learning how to process much more complex informations...

[labelwench]

This seems like an appropriate time and place to post

The Logical Song by Supertramp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6FDv...eature=related

[SB_UK]

And, the global militaries are learning how to process much more complex informations..

Quoting from one of the exhibits in our local military museum (which holds a very large collection of military aeroplanes and tanks)

Q: How will military vehicles be powered when the oil runs out?

A: (reading not too far between the lines) well ... that's all folks.

~*~

Pretty sure that there won't be the need for a military in the not too distant future -
- maybe a joint planetary army consisting of battle hardened ex-Hollywood actors to combat any potential invasions which're launched on quatorze Juillet

... ... or maybe not (as the case may be).

[SB_UK]

This seems like an appropriate time and place to post

The Logical Song by Supertramp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6FDv...eature=related

love that song

- 'sensible, loical, practical, responsible' in a pin-striped shirt with sleeves stamping formerly pristine white sheets.

The button pusher on a production line.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The point was information processing abilities...rrr

Also, tis very naieve to think militaries won't be needed much longer__as you under-estimate Russia's and China's true survival goals, and militaries can run their tanks on hydrogenated coal for another 500 years, easily. Then there's approximately 8,000 year's supply of methane-hydrates, on the bottom of the ocean__By that time, we'll have synthetic everything__probably even synthetic people__Hope they're smarter than what we got now...!!!

Quoting from one of the exhibits in our local military museum (which holds a very large collection of military aeroplanes and tanks)

Q: How will military vehicles be powered when the oil runs out?[Coal to oil and gas...]

A: (reading not too far between the lines) well ... that's all folks.

~*~

Pretty sure that there won't be the need for a military in the not too distant future -
- maybe a joint planetary army consisting of battle hardened ex-Hollywood actors to combat any potential invasions which're launched on quatorze Juillet

... ... or maybe not (as the case may be).

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Egoistic Emotional Psychological Obstructionism and Egoistic Emotional Logical Obstructionism...

"Until mind is connected to real physical law, it's just mind flapping in the breeze..."

Many will always try to hide from the realities that are always buzzing around their social circles, but eventually they’ll be caught by their own imaginations, wanting to understand__The greater picture. I, as a child, and to this very moment, have always had an insatiable thirst for the greater picture, but I’ve always recognized I’m greatly in the minority, in this endeavor. However, in order for anyone to properly process local or global information, they must have the highest picture possible. Most would think they could escape the politics of nations, but think about it for a moment__What is politics really mostly about?__It’s about obstructionism against the opposition__nothing more, nothing less. Now, ask yourself what life is really about, as far as the field of learning?__Simple__It’s about one’s obstructionism of others’ ideas, in favor of their own ideas. No matter how you cut it, it’s purely identical as what those hated politicians are also doing__No-one’s exempt, no matter how they wish to think they are. All are guilty of the same sins as our detested politicians, no matter whether of the psychological soul and mind, or the logical soul and mind__All play the historically ancient, old obstructionist game…

Psychological Intellect / | \ Logical Intellect
When a student in the eighth grade, I first came up against my soul actually being caught in the obstructionist position of blocking the evolution of the social flow of the new school I’d recently entered. Had to do a big re-take on my actions, as I’d recently moved from a small immature country town school system, to a much more sexually evolved community school. Pretty rough for the first six months, trying to figure out this new flow__To tell you the truth, I didn’t figure it out until many years later, and a lotta pain later. But anyway, it came down to my moral soul’s immaturity obstructing the sexual flow of the more mature flow, but not for long__as their maturity easily over-powered my immaturity__Lesson learned__The sexual intellect is powerful, especially when the numbers of both sexes are against you. The logical road would have been to learn and copy instead of fight__Fight I did, and lose I did…

Taking this to another level that more concerns SB’s, others and my conversations, I’ve only found through my life’s research that law is the only evolutionary integrator of these opposing systems' thinking views. And, that would be an entirely new 'methodicity' of law and understanding of. If one tries to understand how to solve the massive problems presented by the first and second paragraphs, one is faced with realizing there exist two very different communities of people, on this great planet of ours__what some would call the morally/ethically mature, and others would call the sexually/intellectually mature. And, if one does not consider both these two diverse communities of citizens, in all walks of life, one is far under-estimating the worlds of realities one is living in__Because sex is more at the root of social non-communication problems than is money. Through the years I’ve witnessed more towns run by sexual power than by money power__That is through the men and women in the know of who’s sleeping with who, then bribing and blackmailing them to do the social bidding of the ruling sexual click of money, over the ruling pseudo-moral click of money. So, if one misses this powerful social function of the mature sexual intellectual, one is only half-seeing the world they live in. So, as to designing any new 'methodicity of laws' and understandings of, these facts must be considered__They are ubiquitous, and imo, there exists no social maturity, without sexual-intellectual maturity knowledge of...

Let me switch subjects again to, our goal of global 'social creativity' which should always be working toward or building better law systems__With the eye firmly fixed, on the 'greatest possible admirable liberty for all__The best order possible...' If not, we are simply acting as no better than our politicians in the act of being obstructionists against what truly needs doing. Now, I know many think it’s important to discuss, discuss and discuss some more about the emotional psychological paradigm, but what does that truly mean…? How long must we paddle around in this little canoe, on the giant ocean of infinite psychological information, while ignoring the fact it must be pragmatically connected to real law change, to have any real meaning to the real world of change…? This is no more than ego bouncing around from one area of the mind to another, of the selfish spiritual global desire, in one direction__to the ego bouncing around, of the selfish spiritual local desire, in another direction__and every time someone tries to pin either one down, they’ll both jump to the opposite side of the street, while ignoring what would truly allow either to become a valid pragmatic venture__with true value validity. This ends being no more than the soul being anything but an emotional psychological obstructionism to real progress, acting from one side of its ego, to the intellect of an emotional logical obstructionism to real progress, acting from the other side of its ego__and the gazillions of positions between these nothing positions. And, are either of these valid states of mind…??? Are not both of them no more than obstructionism avoiding reality__altogether…???

Everyone just seems to want to ignore the true weight of bonds and derivatives markets, bearing down on the world__while gleefully thinking we can build some beautiful pie-in-the-sky emotional utopia. Not one has mentioned, or even been willing to talk about the social sexual reality of culture__at every level of the social spectrum. No matter where I go, it’s present__from country to city__Maine to Florida__Florida to California__Maine to Alaska, everywhere is the over-whelming sexual social culture, ruling all states of mind, even in the Deep South, where so many are so religious, yet open sexual innuendo is the norm. And I certainly know what that truly means to any type of mental evolution dreamed up__It ain’ta’ happening__Sex rules everywhere, except in very small pockets of strict religious cults, and strict moral/ethical cults. Down here in Florida, where I now am, most are extremely Godly, yet have a beer in one hand, a cigarette in the other, swearing like a trooper, sexually kidding all the women, and blasting all comers for not praising God, family and America__That’s reality__It ain’t changed one iota since I first came here in 1953. Imo, for what that’s worth, it ain’ta gonna’ change, no matter how much information these ‘crackers’ are exposed to. The Blacks are more civilized than the Whites, down here…

Since the only psychology and logic connection to reality is through law, this fact must somehow be recognized by the social communities trying to further the emotional intellectualism, as otherwise the spoken/written word is ending as just another obstructionism. If we look over at India, that great nation of the past, with its massive abandoned ancient cities, and truly ask what happened…? We’d simply find it to be the emotional and logical obstructionism of an immature majority of citizens, against the more mature and pragmatic logicians, early India long ago had. A flourishing culture of highly intelligent academic logic and pragmatism, long ago was beaten into submission in greater India, by none other than the emotional and logical intellectual obstructionism of the day__The history books of India are full of these facts__Yet most everyone reads her unimportant emotional and spiritual history for clues, which aren’t there, because it was them who destroyed India’s much earlier pragmatic material and logical successes__The guilty won’t write the truth of their guilt__anywhere in the world…rrr

(continued...)

[Lloyd Gillespie]

(cntinued...)
If all logic is, is measurement, and logic measures truth__Can you measure your psychology...??? Now, that’s a fair question. Can psychology be used to measure truth, scientifically…??? I can, but can you__and by the numbers…??? Obstructionism is no more than the very illogical psychological positions against systems' evolution, but the majority of spiritists, emotionists, psychologists, etc., do not recognize this fact. Is it that it’s just not been pointed out to them…? They can understand creative logic being a logic stretched by metaphysics, into something pliable enough to satisfy their special definitions, but what is the true nature of their obstructionist knowledge of their own ego’s functions...??? Do they know that acting as nihilists, they are actually being 'Annialists' of truth__that’s needed for our very survival...???


The General Ordering Principle of Souls and Intellects...
The general ordering principle of youth and the general ordering principle of age are miles apart, as age offers so much more experience and methods to its 'best ordering' abilities__just a fact, which nothing can change. This fact works most the same as probability logics and maths__the more information in the data, the more accurate the maths/facts. This always gives the generation with the most experience, the greater advantage of the knowledge/information available__no matter what. So imo, youth can scream to the top of its lungs, to take over, or change it all to their way of thinking__it never will__it’s impossible__But, youth could enwisen itself to its only other option__And that’s to follow the best ideas presented, but they won’t__because they haven’t yet developed their pragmatic, logical eyes to see beyond their very limiting/obstructionistic, moralistic, psychological souls…

In closing, let me state a few things about the soul of 'greed' that imo, must be focused and evolved into the intellect of true virtue and integrity. This is that great transition stage of evolution from soul to intellect, I and others have mentioned before. So, what makes logicality good...? Answer__the positive 'best' and 'most admirable possible'__fully respected. As a matter of fact, the best way of stating it is with a new and proper ethics, of ‘duty to the children of the world’__For the first time in history, a true and total respect for all the children of the world...

P.s.
As we all evolve through life, our eyes are opened to a greater field of vision__seeing the whole is a lifelong process, which is never captured in our youth. Though many may think the psychological soul of youth sees far more than the adult soul, mind and intellect__I can assure, it does not. Thinking to be an all seeing eye, as in Emerson's Seeing Eyeball, is simply a myth, because when you are able to see the all__you'll quickly realize its intractability of ice cold frozen positions about realities__Then you truly awake...'

Call this ego, or whatever you wish__It's mere experience...rrr

[r.p.bibra]

If you could somehow be placed at the helm of affairs in your country, which incidentally happens to be the most powerful in the world, smooth transition from soul to intellect of true virtue and integrity is a possibility and there would usher a period in human history of “Ramarajya” (of peace and prosperity for all)! Good luck and long life LG, you are on right course. Love & regards.ls
World today need this kind of “spirituality” which brooks virtue & integrity, not celestial ones which divide and ruin mankind.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Thanks for the strong vote of confidence in me LS, you are very kind, but I don't think I'll be running out and run for president... Now, information behind the power__that's another story...rrr

Regards,
LG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfrTCA4xi68&feature=PlayList&p=6037A64A3F8 C3B55&index=13

If you could somehow be placed at the helm of affairs in your country, which incidentally happens to be the most powerful in the world, smooth transition from soul to intellect of true virtue and integrity is a possibility and there would usher a period in human history of “Ramarajya” (of peace and prosperity for all)! Good luck and long life LG, you are on right course. Love & regards.ls
World today need this kind of “spirituality” which brooks virtue & integrity, not celestial ones which divide and ruin mankind.