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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    It's just easier to write without excessively thinking about exact logic ... ...
    couldn't agree more -
    - the big picture view requires insight.

    It feels as though a large part of the problem is to feel secure enough to express oneself without fear of being attacked.

    To be sufficiently secure to change one's views as data dictates.

    Disconnecting the mind,
    not simple in this changing collective reality -
    - change necessary because of the constraints which fear of deviation from the norm places ... ... ...
    on restraint - restraining one's own imagination to a severely limited reality.
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    An expanding Universe as a metaphor for an incease in the surface area to volume ratio (- an ever increasingly attractive increnulate reality) .

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slartibartfast
    He was unhappy about this, because he wanted to make more fjords (arguing that they give a continent a baroque feel) ... ...


    more familiar to us as ... ...



    just don't look into those maniacal eyes or

    or!


    ..........................or*'#!



    ... ... ... he'll crenulate your heeeeeed.



    'there's hair washing
    and
    brain washing'

    and


    the hoard of seething 'thump stompin' Dawks!'

    - immediately recognizable by the beautiful Autumnal trees rammed up their jacksies.

    #D.rule I
    'Heyho - Thou TOTALLY shalt appreciate nature my sweet loyal Dawkheads'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phototropism
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...



    'Losing their religion'

    The Dawks program of proper education raises unsettling questions over the directionality vector from which the sun shines' ... ... ...

    ~*~



    'Backwards' they mused -
    'backwards
    - we
    have
    it
    all

    ... ... ... backwards'.
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    The Innate Universal Notions of Reality…
    The Universal Symmetry of Fields…

    "--- Has anyone considered the real depth of investigation needed to reveal the true root causes of our dire political problems? Are we truly intelligent enough to understand the depth of subject required? What is the overwhelming root force/entity and its evolution to the present quagmire? Does anyone even care?"

    1.The Uncertainty Principle In Human Actions…
    2.Subjective Context / | \ Objective Context
    3.Super-Subjective Context / | \ Super-Objective Context
    4.Experiential Imagination / | \ Experiential Science
    5.Innate Logic / | \ Scientific Logic
    6.Innate Math / | \ Scientific Math
    7.Innate Sense / | \ Science Sense
    8.Three Linear Minds & One Angular Mind
    9.The Symmetry of The Quat(u/e)rnian H=(ij = k, ji = −k, ij = −ji) & (i^2 = j^2 = k^2 = ijk = − 1)
    A.Steve = The Uncertainty Principle + The Orthogonal Field = The Eversion Principle
    B.Melanie = The East Field = The Compassionate Field = I Love You All
    C.SB = The Universal Code Breaker Field + Mr. Eversion Visionary
    D.LG = The Conformal Field + Un-Daunting Unifier

    All our lives, we search for the best order of and for our actions, so we may either fit into this ball of confusion, we live on and in, or we try to fit the ball of confusion to ourselves, with our best understandings seemed possible, of our innate notions of reality__though openly knowing these notions of reality are very different in others. We all succeed to a degree, while attempting to be as content with our personal views, as is humanly possible__some succeed_some fail__We all try. I’m simply using my deepest innate senses to see as deep into other’s desired notions of personal realities as is humanly possible, to make that quantum, orthogonal, eversion’ing, compassionate, conformal, code breaking unification leap as is humanly attainable. This only takes place with all your help, to force me ever deeper into the depths and breadths of my innate transc(i)ndences.

    Take a look at A, B, C, and D above, and see if we have the makings of unfolding the locked knowledge, of the inner sanctum of the QM uncertainty principle, as I think it just may be. It fits like a glove_possibly a universal eversion glove…rrr

    p.s.
    The super-positioning photons enter linearly/angularly, spin up(qm conservation motion laws), and must exit orthogonally to their relatives, linearly/angularly...


    Spherical Mathematical Eversion_Wiki...
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

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    4

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    --o--o--o--o--o--o--






    Layers upon Layers like a glove (capillary bed) upon a hand (alveolus)



    ... ... a hand upon a glove upon a hand
    ... ...... ... a > > > upon a ) ) ) upon a > > > ... ...

    ~*~

    The Planck length standing wave matrix

    ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.
    ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.
    ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.
    ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~

    == vn
    ...v (linear towards us)n (rotation on the plane of our computer screen)

    rotated by 90 degrees

    == >\

    >\
    >\>\>\>\>\>\.
    >\>\>\>\>\>\>\
    >\>\>\>\>\>\>\
    >\>\>\>\>\>\>\

    \.).\.).\
    >\>\>
    >\>\>
    >\>\>
    >\>\>
    /.)./.)./





    Point of intersection of the two polar magnetic fields
    - at the thyroid/parathyroid gland.

    The polar magnetic field as an N - eversion - S.
    As a Moebius strip.
    The bar magnet's lines of flux are in the structure of a Moebius strip.

    Magnetic attraction leading to inter-Communication between the Monsieur et lil' Mebiuss wo/men.

    \.).\.).\
    >|>|>
    >|>|>
    >|>|>
    >|>|>
    /.)./.)./

    - |a sheet or drape| over (obscuring) lines of contour -
    kinda' like the
    - |boxing glove| over (smooths) the lines of contour (angularities) out and away from the hand.
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Now, I can go back to post #77 & post #108

    Later...rrr

    thanks for the help...
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    It feels as though a large part of the problem is to feel secure enough to express oneself without fear of being attacked.

    To be sufficiently secure to change one's views as data dictates.

    Disconnecting the mind,
    not simple in this changing collective reality -
    - change necessary because of the constraints which fear of deviation from the norm places ... ... ...
    on restraint - restraining one's own imagination to a severely limited reality.
    Originally posted by SB__UK
    With apologies for jumping in, possibly out of flow, my thoughts and schedule as fractious as a squirrel on a hot tin roof.

    You make good comment, SB__UK, that we are the very factor that is limiting ourself, or more exactly, our early conditioning in life.

    Deviation from the norm is potentially dangerous, as history will show. In many past instance, the only difference between a madman and a genius has been the tolerance of the society that they were in.

    Whether one will be marginalized, villified, or deified, is dependant on one's place in space and time. So we sometimes choose not to articluate our thoughts, fearing reprisal.

    However, if thoughts are electro-magnetic energy, then can they not have influence regardless of whether we articulate them or not?

    Perhaps such rational lies behind the teachings that we must guide our thoughts consciously to the paths of least harm?

    Kind regards,

    Lorrina
    So many paths to the same destination,
    would, but I could, experience them all...

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    The Innate Conformal QM Model Geometry of Nature…

    Icosahedran & Dodecahedran = 1 + Square root of 5/2 = The Golden Ratio; Plus Euler’s e^ipi + 1 = 0

    Suggestions by SB
    1.
    Yes to 'Universal geometries?' and 'QM paths?' - the QM path is continuous and expands by a regularly unfolding pattern from geometric dual to dual (the Koch curve expansion) and this QM path is the interface between the place we call home (structured (quantized) reality) and t'other place (the home of the Higgs-Boson (God particle) in the purely i (unknowable) domain).

    Accepted without reservation. Let Home = The quantum ‘I’ field. Let Higgs-Boson = The central qm uncertainty, physical em-wave-actions of i and close relatives…? General suppositions only…?

    2.
    The Universe expands kinda' like the outermost ring (ripple) (the wave-front) extends over the surface of a lake when perturbed by a stone. This expansion over a matrix of Planck length standing waves [I'm pretty sure that this is the photon construct you mention] results in synchrony -> structure being generated - with the structure being generated enforcedly - since the expansion is taking in ever greater Planck length standing wave cells as it expands.

    To be imagined as the increase in area of the circle within the ripple wavefront, as the ripple extends at constant speed (c) out in ever increasing radii (circles).
    Yes, and can be further seen as other geometric matrices of tetrahedrans, icosahedrans or dodecahedrans, etc., due to varying vector space creations by different energy em-waves, as per light spectrum, and periodic table elemental interference of varying em-waves, with other em-wave/particles, i.e., brain matter/perception geometries…? Also, realize as the waves expand, the chiral motions expand as sub c to c acceleration takes place, since there's less wave resistence as waves leave our brains, or any other earth objects and enter vacuum space__I still see motion problems here that must be worked out...? I know they'd be required to shrink coming in, but expanding going out, we can't measure_yet...? It seems obvious though, as they come in from an expanded chiralling state, then shrink and increase angular momentum...? Oh...Less rates of chiralling on way out as linear takes prescedence of overall motion_The c stretched em-rad-wave...(edited after posting)


    3.
    The Lorenz attractor to figures of 8 connected on a string - to be imagined as the combination of a scrunched up human being throwing out his arms and legs into a starjump - overlaid with the image of a glove turning itself inside out.

    Maybe we can simplify these two images into one 'scrunched up' latex glove (outside in) ->- star (digits outstretched) latex glove (inside out)

    What say we just supplement many possible spherical mathematical eversions, here…?

    4.
    To allow these two states to switch - introduce a hidden string which attaches at the wrist and another which attaches at the middle finger.
    2 strings (hidden) - kinda' like puppet strings. The strings can be used to switch the glove between its 2 everted structures - scrunched up outside in and extended inside-out.

    What say again, we use the laws of quantum motion’s conservation of angular momentum, i.e., the more interference an em-wave encounters, the more angular momentum/spin it’s required to possess, which is actually the forcedness of the outflows of radiations, post eversion matrix cycles of these pseudo-cycloids. Pseudo, only because I’m corrupting the word, but it’s a good analogous word, as I'm simply meaning higher rates of spin with the lesser linear velocities. The real fundamental substance and motions are still present, and even mathematizable, by the best of mathematicians__Lotta conformal complexity math here. August Stern, ‘Matrix Logic and The Quantum Mind’ is working in this area…?


    5.
    The 2 hidden strings represent (from 1.)
    Quote:
    ... 't'other place (the home of the Higgs-Boson (God particle) in the purely i (unknowable) domain).
    I think we can just consider/analogize i(and relatives) as center/core actions of the everse’ing conformal quantum matrix…? Maybe not...?
    6.
    The QM path expands increasing in complexity because of the larger area of the circle which is found within an expanding wavefront.
    Evolution to complexity in structure (our reality) is mandated by an ever increasing substrate (the imaginary domain) which is contained within that ever-expanding QM {path,continuity}.
    Yes, and again, possibly some kind of continuing inverse’ing, converse-ing, everse’ing conflexitivity matrix processes(just thinking out loud)__Extremely complex the further the scalar waves travel, as meeting other incoming em-waves. This is the area I stated, where we need much better scalar wave ideas and models…? And the gravity em-waves__Big questions to solve, but maybe the small model can solve for the large…?(thinking_possibly part of the Einstein Gap)

    7.
    The Boy's surface represents a duality with third 'prong'.
    The third prong connects us to the imaginary domain.
    The clonal expansion enters from this imaginary domain (from the Higgs Boson) (from the God particle domain) (from the 'other' side).
    From the other side…? To me(imo), all exists in the FS Domain__No need for other side, especially since it’s outside science, if this is what you mean…? Need answers here though, as I have no idea what a photon or its Bosonic relatives are truly made of, and neither does any physicist on Earth__The Field Mystery…?(Cont.)rrr
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    (Continued...)
    So... in summary, An image - a 2d circle whose circumference is being pumped up by a hidden force. The circumference 'sucks' up the extra energy by generating structure hence ->- evolution to complexity ->- This structured Universe (the QM path or line or continuity) is where we live.

    And where it also exists as our personal ‘I’ state of ‘Being’… The i’s are everywhere__EVERYWHERE…………………………..!!! Hidden force = Boson's energies...

    The evolution to complexity in the circumference (the QM path) occurs by a regular geometric expansion - an expansion which runs from icosahedron -> dodecahedron -> icosahedron - where a stable emergent structure is a duality of [icosahedron and dodecahedron] -
    hence ->- the 2 planes of polarity (from earlier in this thread).
    I’m still theorizing here…? But it’s certainly one model possibility. Put together what I’ve stated with all of yours, and let’s see what evolves…

    Once built - the emergent structure 'breathes' by switching between its constricted and relaxed forms (the gloves) - the duality
    - passing through that 'third' (unknownble) domain in its 'life'-cycle. 'life'-cycle is a general term which may be applied to all structures.
    The cycle: to be imagined as an in-breath, pause and the out-breath
    [breathing] {in[gap]out}n - where the duality of [in] and [out] represent the convex and concave dualities of the icosahedron and dodecahedron respectively appearing in the structure's regular eversionary (the outside-in,inside-out latex glove) cycle - con>vex and con)cave as the two subcomponents of an emergent structure.

    So... trying to simplify yet further: Our reality; The emergent structure's cycle: [Breathe in] [Breathe out] In true reality [Breathe in] [*] <- the pause is a conduit into imaginary space where expansion is driven in Our reality. [Breathe out]

    Well, we’ve a general quantum uncertainty physical FS-wave model to start with. Now, let’s work on refinements, if you’re willing? As, I see much potential here, to unifying the quantum and relative fields at the quantum level, with extended models of this type. I think the math is now doable, since a possible model exists, and max velocity must be held at 2c, which would be the group velocities of linear and angular momentum spins. Down here on lil’ ol’ Earth, the c’s may never reach c or group 2c, but I ‘cain’t’ quite see inside the 'i' God particle…rrr
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by labelwench View Post
    However, if thoughts are electro-magnetic energy, then can they not have influence regardless of whether we articulate them or not?
    Wouldn't it be something if good thoughts could infect and then change society (for the better)
    - could infect and change society
    and all at the speed of thought ?

    Rather than through communicating (spoken,written) an idea, instead by the thoughts leading to resolution of some shared structure -
    - restricting the options
    so that the mistakes of their predecessors,
    future generations
    actually not able.

    We haven't actually been capable of learning from our mistakes, have we?
    Needed to keep on making them, until ... ...

    Quote Originally Posted by playing now
    I understand you need a change.
    When you make that change,
    Don't look to see ... ...

    I'm alright.

    Suddenly you and I will wake ... in your dreams
    Tonight ... night ...
    We'll finally change
    You and I will wake ... in your dreams

    You and I will need a better place....
    To start all over
    ... again ...

    To start all over
    All over ...
    All over ...
    All over ...

    We'll finally change ...

    With a lesson ...
    Wouldn't it be something if good thoughts could infect and then change society (for the better)
    - could infect and change society
    and all at the speed of thought ?
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