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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Why don't people who wear jewellery realise how ridiculous they look?

    I had a ring once, but I fiddled with it so much that I removed it.


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    I have enough holes in my head without adding more.


    Jewellery, designer clothes, perfume, plastic trainers, luxury cars ... ...

    Yes, not needed, but I have to keep my super-duper Apple Mac computer!

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    Ready fear.
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    Enjoy this christmas. It may be the last 'normal' one you ever have.
    And watch out for cops chasing wild boars, guns drawn, with orders to shoot to kill.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    When we speak (using our voices) we tend towards speaking from our own (local) perspective.

    When we write, more attention is paid to making the information we're expressing, more generally applicable -
    --- since ---
    why else (so we think to ourselves) would anybody else be interested in reading information which is not of general validity ?

    ~*~

    So the broad distinction of speaking (with vocal cords) being an expression of the local perspective (through one's own eyes)
    and
    writing as being an expression of the global perspective (through the eyes of the common shared model (species specific) of reality).

    ~*~

    Written language certainly developed after spoken language.

    Written language gives us our notion of time.

    From previously, I think I'm striving to explain the evolution of mind from trigonal to tetrahedral form
    - where the extra bond which forms being understood as the basis for the transition in mind from 3 dimensions (first person perspective) to 4 dimensions (time) (third person perspective).

    This idea tallies with the transition from spoken language to written language (where a notion of time is required to exist).

    And then bringing all of this back into line with the posts above -
    ... ... connects the idea of

    subjective and objective to spoken (using our vocal cords) and written language (respectively).

    ~*~

    Taken together then

    In summary

    ... ... the evolution of abstraction in reality (mind) (trigonal to tetrahedral transition) resulting in an increase in abstraction in communication being necessary
    - occurring alongside the individual shifting from the capacity to communicate using the spoken into being able to communicate (only when) using the written word.

    It would be interesting to show (an easily testable idea) that only written communication and absolutely not linear spoken communication (between people) can occur with the communicating pair (both) in theta EEG.
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com View Post
    Yes, not needed, but I have to keep my super-duper Apple Mac computer!
    If the guys could make a macbook pro with a pullout touch screen tablet (instead of a keyboard), pull out touchscreen iphone (instead of a mousepad) and a pullout touchscreen ipod shuffle instead of a fingerprint sensor

    all of which should be do-able

    - then I too would steal somebody's at the airport.

    The temptation would be that great.
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    “Concepts, and relations of concepts, and not objects, provide objectivity.”

    (It's simply the battle between what is conceptualizable, and what is not. Feelings', as ideas, are not conceptualizable. Physical ideas are conceptualizable__Thus what is subjective=feelings perspectives, and what is objective=everything but feelings' perspectives__The finite structures of the real world... One can not turn greed, altruism, compassion, etc., into a concept, no matter how much one thinks one can__We see feelings, we know feelings, but they can not be conceptualized, thus can not be turned to law, except by upgrading feelings to values, through esthetics, ethics and the rational maths of__to produce a final systems' concept__or habit/habitus, as economics and social science, etc., uses__the material habits of people__real goods, services, buildings, commodities, etc., on and on, that represent people's total universal realities, yet only as genericity, to the fundamental particular facts... Concepts, and the evolutionary growth of concepts(wave collapse if you like) is the true objective world, as per the best technical terminology definition__as verses subjective feelings which are not conceptualizable... Kant called the two ideas, 1.The analytic a priori, and 2.The synthetic a priori, so you see we have two a priori, yet only the first is conceptualizable__the material world, whereas; the second is not conceptualizable__the spiritual/emotional world__Though they both be absolutely fundamental__1.Physical, and 2.Mental__The two aspects of 1.conceptual minds of materiality, and 2.non-conceptual minds of spirituality...)

    {Back a bit later, with further explanation, about four posts of it in rough outline form...}

    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    When we speak (using our voices) we tend towards speaking from our own (local) perspective.

    When we write, more attention is paid to making the information we're expressing, more generally applicable -
    --- since ---
    why else (so we think to ourselves) would anybody else be interested in reading information which is not of general validity ?

    ~*~

    So the broad distinction of speaking (with vocal cords) being an expression of the local perspective (through one's own eyes)
    and
    writing as being an expression of the global perspective (through the eyes of the common shared model (species specific) of reality).

    ~*~

    Written language certainly developed after spoken language.

    Written language gives us our notion of time.

    From previously, I think I'm striving to explain the evolution of mind from trigonal to tetrahedral form
    - where the extra bond which forms being understood as the basis for the transition in mind from 3 dimensions (first person perspective) to 4 dimensions (time) (third person perspective).

    This idea tallies with the transition from spoken language to written language (where a notion of time is required to exist).

    And then bringing all of this back into line with the posts above -
    ... ... connects the idea of

    subjective and objective to spoken (using our vocal cords) and written language (respectively).

    ~*~

    Taken together then

    In summary

    ... ... the evolution of abstraction in reality (mind) (trigonal to tetrahedral transition) resulting in an increase in abstraction in communication being necessary
    - occurring alongside the individual shifting from the capacity to communicate using the spoken into being able to communicate (only when) using the written word.

    It would be interesting to show (an easily testable idea) that only written communication and absolutely not linear spoken communication (between people) can occur with the communicating pair (both) in theta EEG.
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    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    The Super-Conscious Self__The Universal Self…

    “Concepts, and relations of concepts, and not objects, provide objectivity.”
    "Many people never reach finite actuality - they stay lost in abstraction and their light dies away." Hegel
    “Einstein's relativistic relativity doesn't apply logically to the real world - only to relativity.”

    I can not accept the present's dead ideas of democracy and unequal justice, when I see a world crying out for a higher universal justice. The only complete universal principle of morality is universal justice, yet the world we inhabit is a most universal amorality! Imo, true virtue and morality can only be achieved through new fair and balanced incentivized law! The natural laws are the mathematically visible absolute spirit/motion, while morality is actually how we think others think morally about us. The natural laws are the scientific essence of the Tao/infinity, yet mind and spirit are both natural laws, in and of themselves. They exist as universal concepts and non-concepts, yet they are__science and spirit united, while it’s still all a massive matter of interpretation. What are the universal principles behind all things? Imo, the fundamental laws of geo-bio-nature are the universal principles behind all things. To me, the #1 peace of mind law would be; ‘All you can fill your mind with to create a true and complete peace of mind, is subjective self-truth, and objective wisdom!’

    The concept of all concepts are the fundamental universal natural laws underlying all concepts, or existing at once, with them. The natural laws are the fundamental truths over, and capable of being used to control man's laws, into essential balances. The natural law of harmony is; ‘All things must balance to the best possible order’, and scientific ground is the scientific balance of all the best-ordered real ideas. The ground of balanced morality and scientific truth, is best found in copying the natural laws’ examples of greatest esthetic goods, and best orders of all things. Also, a required best possible humanism, entails a balanced moral ground, and a balanced scientific ground, operating in unison! Only fair incentivized balance, balances science and religion, and the fairly incentivized balance is the natural law, and man’s constitutional law, joining and separating science and religion__through liberty!

    Right self-judgment is the balance of desires and intents of those involved, and functions of the natural laws of the mind. The real is the causal, as represented in the fundamental laws of nature, and the 8 main natural laws I'm using are, time, laws of mind, balance, center of gravity, motion, i.e., action reaction - supply and demand, inertia, conservation of energy and matter, and entropy. The center of gravity of the super-consciousness is its fundamental natural law of balance. The highest intuitive judgment - choice - is a natural law of mind__the intuitive judgment to choose time and place of judgment or logic. Godel argued; "No consistent system can be used to prove its own consistency." [two logic systems separated can] [Godel's disproof by two - also intuitive logic can] [greater magnitude logic can] [the fundamental natural laws, or concepts of the concepts can!][may require the outside tool of arithmetic for sound proofs though.] Yet, universal intuitive logic is a consistent system of thought, when based on the fundamental natural laws…

    The axiom of conservation of concepts__The larger the concepts, the closer to universal answers and truths, we will derive…

    “Concepts, and relations of concepts, and not objects, provide objectivity.”
    “The two a priori__Analytic a priori conceptual, and a priori synthetic analytic non-conceptual feelings, and ideas of.”
    “Ideas without clearly defined concepts, i.e., altruism__Impossible to write a public concept law of, as tis based on feelings__the non-conceptualizable.”
    "Sets are objects but concepts are not objects. We perceive objects and understand concepts" Godel
    "The loftiest dialect of the concept." Hegel
    "The real history of progress lies in the growth of new conceptions." C.H. Hinton

    Godel stated; ‘The concept of concept and the concept of absolute proof may be mutually definable.’ And, the natural fundamental laws are the concepts of all concepts, thus their proofs, of and from the primordial essence {if matter in motion} onward, and are mutually definable. A universal math of greater magnitudes of concepts is a conceptual math of the most true...! {magnitude math? 1I/iF=E}[one infinity divided by/to infinitesimal finity equals everything/equilibrium__the infinitesimal quanti of F.S.] A law of universal truths__Truths drawn from the fundamental natural laws of physics and nature are absolutes![must further check the validity of this statement] Essence is a prime eternal fundamental law of nature. [in and of itself, it is truth, and untruth - Trickster] The primary law of logic__The mind__any mind__used scientifically properly, comes up with the same universal answers__inputs must be complete concepts, such as historical epistemological systems’ concepts...

    The Fundamental Law of Competition is the original essential fundamental law of geo-bio-nature and proof of right... [logic against logic proves logic true, etc.] Competition is required to prove all truths universally true. The natural law of gradual progression__logic competing with logic, through the forces of... Unity, competition and force are eternal fundamental natural laws of nature. The unity is the inner necessity of the laws of this competition and forces. The law of perfection is the inner perfection of the individual, thus the planet, and that is the simple self-reflective equilibriums of our inner and outer peace states of mind, plus all their inner logic mechanics. Wisdom demands that eventually, we will solve all the world's problems, as this is part and parcel of the natural law of necessary progression...
    (continued...)
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    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    (continued...)
    The Axiomatic Laws of The Mind and The Fundamental Central Axioms of Man's Law…

    “Concepts, and relations of concepts, and not objects, provide objectivity.”
    "Free will is a universal, eternal natural law." LG[even the geo-sphere’s free action of competitionary motion] [except where righteous self-judgment enters automatically, and is uncontrolled by man] [we choose to let the spirit control us to be righteous, at times] [other times it does it without us knowing] [example; other's controlling our minds, for the good, or the Trickster for good or evil]

    Only the natural laws, and new concepts of, are in and of themselves the universal truths, and are eternally related to the original causes, effects and ends of problems. In order to avoid the infinities of diverse world views, we must build finite logic systems of a new dialogicable language__an entirely new cross-disciplinary finite language! [knowledge of the new fundamental laws of universal justice solves this conundrum] The axiom of ultimate truth is the law of eternal presence__the two essences in one__In man, reality starts in sense perceptions__In eternal spirit/motion, reality is represented by a unified consciousness/whole. This is the opposite order of experience between the finite and infinite minds. The axioms of eternity and finiteness__The finite visible is rooted in the invisible infinite essence. {as long as essence is seen as fundamental matter in motion…}

    Our personal logical conceptions__But... the fundamental laws are absolute, independently discovered knowns! The different laws of the two logical truth systems are;
    1.Scientific logical values.
    2.Scientific moral values. {Both of the infinite one}
    How do you figure out capitalism in a wisdom logic generator? Realize the two opposites of, are hegemony and mercantilism, and look for the axioms of fundamental causes. The major axioms of fundamental causes are balance, timing, inertia, laws of mind, center of gravity, action-reaction(supply-demand), conservation of energy and matter, entropy, and exchanges.[the fundamental natural laws] Then work out the axioms of the perfect middle balances. A soul of greed__A separation of greed into fair and more just competitions__The very soul of greed, in order to arrive at a universal just state of greed, is a perfect state of competition with greed, to create a final universal justice! Greed is scientific self-reflective incentivized equilibrium in a separated state of perfect competition, thus creating this new universal justice! The dual nature soul of money and law is greed and justice__inseparable! They are a dual nature concept__one can't exist without the other! The basic nature of dual nature greed and justice is again__balance__a fundamental law of universal nature! Knowledge acts as a philanthropic law of nature, to balance greed through new laws of superior competition, as only new law can re-balance the excessive greed of recent years. "When logic sees, it knows. It doesn't need a reason. Seeing is the known reason." The #1 law of logic__The logical scientific debate must exclude emotions to be logical and scientific!

    The #1 law of emotions__It is absolutely impossible to trap logic and arrogance in emotions and sensitivity__It is absolutely impossible to trap the objective in the subjective! The #1 law of nature__Nature, in and of itself, is a natural fundamental law of philanthropy__It gives__The eternal giver__Nature! The #1 law of supply and demand__Supply and demand can be separated into a more equilibriated supply and demand! The absolute one law, of all laws, is absolute incentivized equilibrium__The best ordered future state of the world! The wisdom of this absolute self-certainty is provable by the absolute mathematical essence of the absolute and ultimate logical equilibrium, and just is, by all the laws of simple first order arithmetic. Absolute self-certainty is a law unto its own true absolute mathematical self. Man is the mathematical equilibriator of the law systems he creates. Woman is the emotional equilibriator of the family systems she creates. The soul's equilibrium energy__The universal laws and man's laws are the most tangible and pertinent understandings, possible of being known, and they are known__most certainly__By a few…

    The Universal Fundamental Axioms of Intuitive Wisdom…

    “Concepts, and relations of concepts, and not objects, provide objectivity.”
    "Intuition is a conversation of the soul with itself." Plato
    "The whole universal and divine understanding, in unity with which we are logical, is the essence of truth." Heraclitus
    "The human mind works only through an understanding of the universal." Plato and Godel

    Intuition is a conversation of the self/nature-created morally true soul, with the self-discovered logically true mind, to create higher truth in, and through, insight. [also can be used evilly by bank robbers, etc.] If we compare concepts from individual essences to the super-consciousness, we may find the intuitive logical truths. The intuitive super-conscious and the logical super-conscious must be joined in a new universal truth and wisdom__where a scientific intelligence can be created with intuitive wisdom logic. Universal intuitive wisdom logic is a trained insight to see the higher truths. A universal consciousness can be created through trained intuitive wisdom logic, to create voluntary right action, through training the insight, to its highest vision levels possible, being properly vested in the ultimate true justice and pure liberty goals. Intuition and logic unified is a process, creating the intuitive wisdom logic, and this wisdom is simply the intuitively logical perfect middle balance of all the universal truths, we so process.

    We must accept the wisdom of the present global consciousness, while universally discerning its faults, with a new intuitive wisdom's global universal genericity logic, to evaluate truthfully, its real and possible solutions, into a better future for all. Is a perfect universal understanding of truth and wisdom possible? – Yes, as long as we realize genericity is the only, and preferred, necessary goal! True universal understanding also entails empathy and compassion for your enemies and leads to enhancing such wisdom processes. The intuitive filtered through logic creates insight and wisdom, where a proper judgmental will, guides the natural intuitive through logic, to the higher states of wisdom. If we simply compare concepts, from our individual essences, to universal essences, through intuitive logic, we can all find the truths and wisdom, to solve the world's problems. Wisdom can be taught with critical universal thinking and trained insight of intuitive logic, since the ideal world is a possible, probable and necessarily real phenomenon, of the intuitive truth and wisdom, to yet be!

    Wisdom is the profound middle of the common known, or simply put__the profound common sense! The fundamental observation is that, if truth and wisdom are blocked at the small parts level by the quantum wall, in all fields of parts' studies, then the answers of truth and wisdom must be found at the universal truth and wisdom level, of the profound genericity. Wisdom logic is the self-realized identicality of compassion and logic, or the union of natural feelings and mathematical mechanics. The scientific logical mind of wisdom is nothing but equilibriated consciousness, where the ultimate wisdom vision is the maximum state of incentivized equilibrium, of true universal justice, and pure incentivized liberty.
    (continued...)
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    (continued)
    Unless you can see the true state of universal justice, you can't see the true state of the present or past…!

    “Concepts, and relations of concepts, and not objects, provide objectivity.”
    "Psychology is ideology." Karl Popper
    “In the perfect state, perfect incentivized competition creates perfect virtue and justice.”


    Unless you can see the future, in its natural state of genericity, you can't see the true past or present! All discovery is a separation of the knowns, and one must analyze their essence without words, to truly see it, then one will see the future ideal, as it’s always existed in everyone’s natural mind__It’s a simple best possible day-dream, for all of humanity. Yet, at the same time, our own deepest infinite intuition is often, seemingly, in collision with our own deepest finite intuitions and logics, until we understand the true goal of our essence, which is that almost perfect universal justice state, of true and pure liberty. We need to truly define an ideal universal legal state justice system, to fully understand our forward goal, and the perceptronic ought logic’ to attain that goal.

    A Simple Philosophy of Fear and Complexity__What Is Truth and What Is Opinion __Intelligence and Anti-Intelligence…

    “Concepts, and relations of concepts, and not objects, provide objectivity.”
    "Being and non-being are the same: everything is and yet is not." Heraclitus???
    "The most difficult thing is to know what we do know and what we do not know." P.D.Ouspensky
    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary skepticism."
    "The meaning of the world is the separation of wish and fact." Godel [force and fact - Leibniz]
    "History weeded by mathematical logic is the truth." L.G.
    "The fundamental axiom of higher logic - The super-objective truths are found in the super-subjective intuitive truths." Ouspensky
    "Truth is agreement of the mind with itself, through intuitive logic." L.G.
    "The super-objective world of universal truth is found in the super-subjective sense of intuitive logic." Ouspensky.
    “Truth can be proved in any given language by the use of greater magnitude concepts!"
    "The universal is the true [content] of sense certainty." Hegel
    "Truth is the object of logic." Hegel
    "The idea is truth in itself and for itself." Hegel
    "The true is the whole." Hegel
    "A theory that proves itself more successful in predicting and controlling our world than its rivals is said to be nearer the truth." C.S.Peirce [this is an operational notion of truth employed by scientists]
    "The ultimate universal truth is the fear of one's unknown, complicated by or verses, the truth of what was, is and can be or should be." L.J.G.

    Intuition is a conversation of the soul of reason, with the mind of logic, to create truth and insight. I’ve realized a psychological universal truth generator can be built in pure intuitive logic, iff based in the final ultimate goal of universal justice and pure liberty. Intuitional logic senses truth mathematically, conceptually, and truth is found by totally removing irrationalism from what you hear, read and see. The test of this reality and truth is non-contradiction. There's either the individual or the whole, and both are ones, and absolute truth only exists in the universal one unity, as an infinite universal intuitive truth generator expresses properties of the infinite one by the numbers, only. The three truth systems are; 1.Abstract truth. 2.Intuitional truth. 3.Scientific truth__The three agreements of truths, and truth's foundation must be other__the absolute other, where intuitional truth is the bridge, and the past is absolute truth, as concrete fact__then, intuitive understanding bridges the two__body/mind. Genuine scientific communication requires a common "real" objective world of concepts, objects and subjects, as truth’s foundation is, and must be, universal agreement of subjects and definitions, of communication's necessity. Further, truth is agreement with agreed universal facts. The most important fact is that, the foundation of truth is what we agree to be truth's foundation, whether of subjective non-conceptual feelings, or objective conceptual realities and systems. The foundation of all knowledge and truth must be a communicable agreement, of common grounds. The operational notion of scientific truth is of conceptualizable facts, and economics is the nearest to the epistemological truth controlling our world__thus is the primary truth, or money is the prime truth, controlling our lives, through the presently organized__bad laws. P=NP - Infinity divided by/to incentivized equilibrium = The Ultimate Truth!
    (continued...)
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    The Logical Comparative Essence Concepts to Super-consciousness…

    “Concepts, and relations of concepts, and not objects, provide objectivity.”
    "Logic comes before reason and is the primary essence of childhood." LG
    "All who develop logic and spirit self-vision fully will come to the same conclusions." LG
    "When reason and logic speak of something other than itself; it speaks in fact only of itself; so doing, it does not go outside of itself." Hegel
    "First order intuitive data [sensations] and second order intuitive data [logic] allow us to form concepts whose function is logical synthesis." Godel
    "Logic is to intuit essences." Godel
    "Intuitive universal logic is the spiritual whole consciousness - the mind purified unto itself, from lowest essences to highest logical spiritual essences." LG
    Understanding is a different kind of perception. It is a step in the direction of reduction to the last cause." Godel
    "100 years from now, capitalism will have passed into computer controlled societies, honoring our entire intuitive essences." [intuition outside the cone of present knowledge]
    "The purpose of intellect is fulfilled in the illumination of intuitive logic." LG
    "The non-sensible essence creates our thoughts." Frege
    "The absolute is essence, is being, and immanent being - the finite and infinite in relation to each." Hegel?
    "The subjective consciousness is a cognitive illusion." Daniel Dennett
    "There's no such animal as subjective enlightenment." L.G.

    “Logic sees and intuition feels.” A problem in logic - "Logic can express real mathematical concepts of phenomena and life." [a contradiction of Godel] The degree of perspective you use your intuitive logic from, is the key to insight. Anyone can recognize intuitive mathematical logical obviousness. The profound essence is intuitive soulful logic of natural common sense, or “logica utens.” "Reason is to find the object rational in its own." Hegel[The concept.] All concepts and ideas exist in logical space. Logic is the very eye of emotions. The two parts of intuitive essences - Sense perceptions and logic perceptions, or personal and mathematical, individual and universal, or moral and materialistic! The mind's universal center of gravity is a properly equilibriated essence! The essence is the balanced intuitive logic, center of gravity of the mind, and logic is a universal first! Intuitive insight and logic... [primordial essence example] {only if primordial essence is considered matter in motion…} The essence of judgment is the mind's most complex essence agent. [who's running this show, intuition, logic or judgment? What part does passive nature play?] The will to choose... [the mind's fair-minded intuitive judge__the highest essence of self-control, and often involves Trickster.] Judgment is of both emotional and logical essence - it can be either__amazing! The infinite essences and the finite world, where infinity is the essence that permeates all existence! The spirit is not the seen, but the seer__the all knowing knower! There is no creation of the one__absolute creation is impossible__The One Is! [a self-un-created universe] Infinity must possess the all, in and of itself, complete. It has been said, we can't know anything absolutely, we can only know what we design__the infinite one has sanctioned the past correct, let's move into the future, out of the concrete past. The mind's eye energy is produced by the different agents of essence, self-reflecting unto itself, and projecting its insights into and from perception. Memory is the agent storage tool of the graphic essence agent__Perception. The logical incentivized equilibrium state is the fair balance of all things and ideas, and pure logic is the self-reflective equilibrium__the central self’s logical equilibrium. Scientific arithmetic logic systems can prove the validity of all equilibriated universal ideals, through the natural mathematical equilibrium of scientific logic__at absolute limit...
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    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Scientific Logic Systems Are Required To Prove Idealist Realities…


    “Concepts, and relations of concepts, and not objects, provide objectivity.”
    “What is the end of the good? The ideal!”
    “Darwinism - good's ultimate design – fair, fully incentivized competition...”
    “True, fairly incentivized, mathematical balance gives you true virtue.”
    “Perfect incentivized competition will create true virtue, and only it will.”
    "Morality must live in two people to live."
    "At limit, the actual is the universal." Hegel
    “Insight is realization of absolute anti-thesis.”
    "Language, itself, is unimportant to intuition. It preceded language." Godel
    "Real intuitive is finite." Godel
    "The finite mind and concrete intuition." Godel
    "The non-sensible objective realm of thought." Frege
    "All who develop logic and spirit self-vision fully will come to the same conclusions."
    "Morality and infinity - The perfection of morality is never perfected." Hegel
    "Right is freedom as idea." Hegel
    "Only the right of the world mind is absolute." Hegel
    "Where rights collide, highest right is right [world right]." Hegel
    "The free will which wills the free will..." Hegel[Passive nature, also.]
    "One deep "Ah Ha" thought is worth a thousand pictures."
    "Reason is knowledge underivative, or faith." Hegel[True.]
    "Thought is concrete universality." Hegel[Logic is concrete universality. me]
    "The dialogical principle is the real and the true." Hegel[I do not agree__arithmetic logic must define the real and the true.]
    "The judgment is finite." Hegel [judgment stops at the finite, and beyond is speculation]
    "The parts of the infinite change, but it itself is unchangeable." Diogenes
    "In reality, in the soul of man, nothing exists save emotions." Ouspensky[reptilian brain]
    "Emotion can be mastered only by another more powerful emotion, and by nothing else." Spinoza [therefore; logic is an emotion/instinct, at base.]
    "Every idea extended into infinity becomes its opposite." Hegel - [don't extend - separate ideas into finite and infinite]
    "Euclidean logic - The mind devoid of emotions." A. - [numbered facts]
    "Relativity - Observing intellect within intellect." Ouspensky
    "Reason taken to infinity disproves itself."
    "The infinite is the reasonable." Hegel
    "The infinite is negation of negation." Hegel


    All minds contain the natural intuitive utopian ideal soul and mind! A complete self-understanding creates a true universal vision logic__a mind's eye complete perception. The fundamental triadic natural mind, holds the intuitive and scientific in balance. The greatest magnitude idea and ideal is balance__The intuitive balance...! The subjective individual self is often counterintuitive to the supra-jective universal self and the objective empirical self. The power of common sense is based in its mathematical greater magnitudes of balance! Moral positions are not required to create morality__just competition of rights and desires is. The will is a finite actor.[thus, beyond willful action is pure speculation] The judgment's will is the primary will of mind__The will of wills! [judgment wills all wills, either ours or spirit's will.][The Trickster option] Compassion, humility, kindness and empathy are some of the bridges between emotion and intellect.[also judgment, intuition and Trickster] The greater magnitude of positive change is through positive optimism and hope. A righteous self-judgment, of a discriminating judgment, is absolutely and eternally necessary, to create the highest intelligence![otherwise can be very evil] The very notion of separation, absolutely must be based on a unity underlying it. Time is both finite and infinite__the duality of time. [the Poincare paradox solved] Godel's incompleteness theorem as applied to language__A separation of finite and infinite language possibilities is absolutely necessary to dialogue successfully! The soul/highest mind is nothing but a mathematical equilibriator! Feeling and seeing don't meet in the "Is" world. They only meet in the "Ought Logic" world! Without accepting a new fully descriptive language, and order of language, it is impossible to describe the real world.[conceptual logic solves] Incentivized equilibrium is the ultimate completeness! The greatest good is only perceived and understood through also peering into the eye of the greatest evil, to fully understand. The superior natural mind of universal ideals__if all infinite ideas and feelings are mathematized through an incentivized equilibrium algorithm of habitus, we can see and create the whole finite universal mind. We quantify greed as self-interest exhibited through economics__Law is its only container/controller. We must reframe the debate to win, and using John Nash's equilibriums is a winning hand...
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.


 

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